(I've LONG used the same exact language re: Mormonism's "scorched earth policies" -- altho I've used it more along the lines of the Lds having to rid the world of ANY true Christian churches or ANY true authoritative Christians in order to establish its Ground-Zero narrative need for a restoration from scratch...Hence...Mormons do what Muslims do to us Christians: They call us "apostates." (Islam references us as "infidels"...same thing)
The Lds "scorched earth policies" also wind up permanently taking out many as believing in any god at all...(who wants to believe in a god who has sex with wives, wasn't god from all eternity past, and keeps changing his doctrinal mind on things?)
From the blog: Mormonism already is a form of atheism: it denies the existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing, first, most high God, and instead teaches a kind of naturalism or materialism: everything is matter, even spirits, and everything is subject to eternal laws of ultimate nature, even the gods. It feeds its people conspiracy theories about the corruption of the Bible, and it scares the heck out of Mormons over non-Mormon churches: if you dont stay with the One True Church, youll have to settle for an abominable evangelical church with a corrupt pastor who is a minister of Satan
Mormonism is indeed a form of atheism -- because, being polytheistic, it militates against the ONE TRUE THEISM!
Mormonism's teachings on "a kind of naturalism or materialism" where "everything is matter, even spirits..." can be found here Lds "scripture" D&C 93:29,33:
"Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be... 33 For man is spirit. The elements are eternal, and spirit and element, inseparably connected, receive a fulness of joy;" (D&C 93:29, 33)
Hence, only Mormonism has this layered type of intelligences -- with no ultimate buck-stops-here authoritative God! (For Mormonism claims that God is no more "eternal" than man! And that man is uncreated, and the elements are eternal)
This is all contained in the very "sacred 'scriptures'" of Mormonism's gods!
I learned a testimony concerning Abraham, and he reasoned concerning the Gods of heaven. '...Intelligences exist one above another, so that there is no end to them.' If Abraham reasoned thus--If Jesus Christ was the Son of God, and John discovered that God the Father of Jesus Christ had a Father, you may suppose that He had a Father also. Where was there ever a son without a father? And where was there ever a father without first being a son? Whenever did a tree or anything spring into existence without a progenitor? And everything comes in this way. Paul says that which is earthly is in the likeness of that which is heavenly. Hence if Jesus had a Father, can we not believe that He had a Father also? I despise the idea of being scared to death at such a doctrine, for the Bible is full of it. I want you to pay particular attention to what I am saying. Jesus said that the Father wrought precisely in the same way as His Father had done before Him. As the Father had done before? He laid down His life, and took it up the SAME as His Father had done before." (Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 373)
Pray for Utah...and the atheistic fall-out from Mormonism that is leaving "jack Mormons" everywhere!
As Madaline Murray O’Hair said on the LARRY KING LIVE SHOW back in the early 1990s, (I saw the show)....
“The best atheists are former Mormons and Catholics.”
The LDS is more about politics than religion these days. Their advocacy for illegal alien amnesty is disgusting and traitorous.
True, IMO, though this is itself not really an objective fact.
2. There are objective moral values and duties.
Well, I believe there are, but this statement is not a fact, it is a statement of belief. It cannot be proven in the same way a mathematical theorem can.
3. Therefore, God exists.
Anybody convinced by this argument knows nothing of logic. Both of the premises are statements of opinion, not fact. Only someone who already believes them will be convinced that the proposition is true.
To be clear, I agree, but it is a really poor argument to present to someone who doesn't.
Mormonism already is a form of atheism: it denies the existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing, first, most high God
Yes the blood of their Mormon jesus is not able to save “to the uttermost”
Is that why they use water insteasd of wine/grape juice for their religious rituals ???
No substance, strength, power to their millions of Mormon gods ???
not even their Mommy, female gods ???
I do so wish he would not do that!
I once knew a woman who left the Mormon church with her Bishop husband when they discovered Mormonism was a fraud..
While in the process of getting divorced, she became very promiscuous because she thought that if Mormonism was false, so were all other churches and thus, there aren’t any moral sins..she even stated that her husband was screwing her best friend and she was fine with that.
I then talked to a former Mormon friend of mine and she confirmed that such situations were not all that uncommon.
Good article for talking to anyone about Christ.
I am not an ex-Mormon but I have heard the author’s favorite argument countless times. It is a fallacious argument in my opinion because the premise that without God there can be no objective moral values or duties is a false dichotomy. The concept of a moral value rests on the answer to the the question: Of value to whom and for what? A code of values for man’s life must be based on what man requires which is a function of his nature and the nature of existence. So Man’s nature it seems to me is the objective basis for choosing a code of moral values and it makes no difference whether existence was created by a God or just is.
The second premise that there are objective moral values and duties is a stolen concept. As a Christian the author must hold consciousness to be primary to existence which means that reality is subjective and there could be no such thing as an objective value.
The author asks the question: “do you feel sorrow over the
absurdity of life?”. Again I reject the premise that life is absurd if there is no God. I think that life is an end in itself. It needs no external sanction or purpose. My life has meaning to me and I need look no further than my self for a purpose. I am the meaning and the purpose of my life.
That is a powerfully clarifying insight.