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Report: Pope Francis bans disgraced Cardinal Law from his church
St. Peter's List ^ | March 15, 2013 | John Bingham

Posted on 03/15/2013 2:28:15 PM PDT by Hilda

The article, from the somewhat sordid “Daily Mail,” reprints Italian news reports. In pertinent part:

So when the appearance of a disgraced cardinal threatened to cast a shadow over his first engagement, Francis I made sure it couldn’t happen again – by banning him from his own church.

Cardinal Bernard Law resigned as Archbishop of Boston in 2002, after being accused of actively covering up for a litany of paedophile priests.’

Despite the scandal which exploded to engulf the entire church, he was given an honorary position at the Basilica Santa Maria Maggiore, in Rome.

Though now retired, the cardinal still enjoys a grace and favour apartment in the cathedral complex. So hearing that the new Pope was offering prayers at the very same church, it seems he couldn’t resist a discreet peak.

But when Pope Francis recognised him, he immediately ordered that Law be removed, according to Italian media reports. He went on to command: ‘He is not to come to this church any more.’

One of the new Pope’s first acts will be to arrange new ‘cloistered’ accommodation for the disgraced cardinal, the Italian daily, Il Fatto Quotidiano, reported.

Has the cleaning of the Lord’s House begun?


TOPICS: Catholic; General Discusssion; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: bernardlaw; boston; cardinallaw; catholic; francis; law; ma; massachusetts; pope; popefrancis; scandal
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1 posted on 03/15/2013 2:28:16 PM PDT by Hilda
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To: Hilda

He, and his cohorts, need to be in prison not vacationing in the lap of luxury....


2 posted on 03/15/2013 2:30:07 PM PDT by vet7279 (Those of you who think you know it all are very annoying to those of us who do!)
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To: Hilda

“Cloistered” accommodations? OMG!

He’ll never see the light of day again.


3 posted on 03/15/2013 2:30:40 PM PDT by goldi
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To: Hilda

4 posted on 03/15/2013 2:32:27 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hilda

Sounds like Law is about to be broken :-)


5 posted on 03/15/2013 2:32:41 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Hilda

I am REALLY liking Francis I!

The more I hear, the more I like!


6 posted on 03/15/2013 2:34:09 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Establishment Republicans don't like that totalitarian thing unless it is THEIR totalitarian thing!)
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To: Hilda

I have been waiting for a Pope that would take this child molesting scandal head on ...sounds like the Pope Francis might just be the man.


7 posted on 03/15/2013 2:35:11 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Hilda

It’s very good news.


8 posted on 03/15/2013 2:36:26 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Hilda

A discreet peak.


9 posted on 03/15/2013 2:37:36 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: trisham

update:
“The exact opposite report has surfaced and those groups that commented in the first article and now commenting that the Pope did indeed meet with Cardinal Law. “

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9933874/Pope-Francis-meets-US-Cardinal-who-quit-over-abuse-cover-up-claims.html


10 posted on 03/15/2013 2:40:25 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Hilda
UPDATE: The exact opposite report has surfaced and those groups that commented in the first article and [sic] now commenting that the Pope did indeed meet with Cardinal Law. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/9933874/Pope-Francis-meets-US-Cardinal-who-quit-over-abuse-cover-up-claims.html
11 posted on 03/15/2013 2:40:29 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Hilda

A commendable move. Hats off to the padre on this one.


12 posted on 03/15/2013 2:41:05 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Hilda

Let us hope Cardinal Mahony of LA is in line for similar treatment...


13 posted on 03/15/2013 2:41:55 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: rottndog

I was thinking the same thing. The Archbishop in Los Angeles should change the locks at Mahony’s residence and throw his clothes out on the front lawn.


14 posted on 03/15/2013 2:44:14 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: Joe 6-pack
At least it would only be a human Law that would be broken. Better that than God's Law.

HF

15 posted on 03/15/2013 2:49:14 PM PDT by holden (Alter or abolish it yet?)
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To: mlizzy

I am okay with him meeting the disgraced Cardinal. He is a sinner and a member of the faith. HOWEVER, the Pope better kick him out of that residence . Everyone has made a big deal of the fact that the Pope picked that Church because of the Reformer Pope buried at Basilica Santa Maria Maggiore


16 posted on 03/15/2013 2:51:18 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

It’s possible that both versions are true. The Pope met with Law — and cordially told him that he would soon be taking up residence in a monastery. “Bare feet on a cold stone floor.”


17 posted on 03/15/2013 2:51:55 PM PDT by Publius
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To: Hilda

Too bad that the Vatican doesn’t excommunicate suborners of child sodomy like they did back in the Middle Ages.


18 posted on 03/15/2013 2:54:01 PM PDT by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: trisham

It looks like Jesus picked a man with a large broom to clean up His house....one can hope..


19 posted on 03/15/2013 2:54:05 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Hilda
One of the new Pope’s first acts will be to arrange new ‘cloistered’ accommodation for the disgraced cardinal

Why isn't he just fired and told to move on, kicked out of the church's big boys, and sent back to regular American living as an ordinary person?

20 posted on 03/15/2013 2:55:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: Publius

http://cathcon.blogspot.com/2013/03/pope-francis-snubs-cardinal-law.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2FZMRq+%28Catholic+Church+Conservation%29

“”Cardinal Law was present in a discrete manner in the chapel along with the members of the chapter and confessors, having been until recently the Dean of St. Maria Maggiore. Then he returned to his home. Nothing to add. “ Father Federico Lombardi, director of the Vatican press office, told Adnkronos in response to journalistic speculation whereby yesterday Pope Francis during his visit to the Basilica of St. Maria Maggiore in Rome, told Cardinal Bernard Francis Law, to keep away from the Basilica.”


21 posted on 03/15/2013 2:57:03 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

I forgot this part

“And here that Pope Francis, after meeting Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston, retired ordered him to be removed. The Cardinal was accused of covering up the pedophile priests in his diocese.

“I will not frequent this church,” he said Papa Francesco. The Vatican spokesman sought to play down the incident.”


22 posted on 03/15/2013 2:57:52 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: RummyChick

For those that speak Italian
http://www.youreporternews.it/2013/papa-francesco-caccia-cardinale-law-a-boston-copriva-preti-pedofili/


23 posted on 03/15/2013 2:58:53 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Hilda

Vatican City is recognized,under international law,as a sovereign nation and one would think that the Pope is the Prime Minister,Justice Minister,etc.So could the Pope actually *expel* him from Vatican City,thus opening him up to possible extradition? Hmmm....


26 posted on 03/15/2013 3:04:38 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: RummyChick

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/03/boston_victims_decry_visit_to_church_with_law_link

“Bernard Law entered very discreetly, he entered through one of the side chapels,” said Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi.


27 posted on 03/15/2013 3:04:39 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Publius
“Bare feet on a cold stone floor.”

Stop me if you've heard this

Monk has a vow of silence, broken only when he is questioned by the Abbot

So after five years, The Abbot asks, "Brother, how do you fare?"

Monk says, "Food bad."

Five more years pass, and the Abbot asks, "Brother, how do you fare?"

Monk says, "Bed hard."

Five more years pass, and the Abbot asks, "Brother, how do you fare?"

Monk says, "I quit."

"Well, I am not surprised." said the Abbot. "Since you got here, you've done nothing but complain."

28 posted on 03/15/2013 3:05:12 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Hilda

“Cardinal Bernard Law resigned as Archbishop of Boston in 2002, after being accused of actively covering up for a litany of paedophile priests.’

Despite the scandal which exploded to engulf the entire church, he was given an honorary position at the Basilica Santa Maria Maggiore, in Rome. “

Tells you exactly what is wrong. I hope the new guy can fix it, being as drastic as necessary to restore the church to a position of credibility.


29 posted on 03/15/2013 3:06:41 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: RummyChick

Pope Francis is not treading lightly (with words); we’ll see what the future brings. :)


30 posted on 03/15/2013 3:07:49 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy; trisham
FYI, the original article (from which the Mail's article was based) is here: http://www.giornalettismo.com/archives/829173/papa-francesco-bernard-law/

The pertinent part:

Il pontefice non voleva condividere le prime fotografie e le prime immagini pubbliche con un principe vaticano macchiatosi di enormi peccati, e non ha trattenuto il pensiero, anzi il desiderio: “Non voglio che frequenti ancora questa basilica”. Anche se privato di qualsiasi carica, Law risiede ancora nel palazzo di Santa Maria Maggiore. Al Fatto risulta che il pontefice argentino, come primo atto di pulizia, sia intenzionato a far trasferire il prelato: in clausura sarebbe perfetto. E sarebbe una rivoluzione per il Vaticano che ha protetto Law sottraendolo al percorso giudiziario americano. Perché nel 2004, mentre negli Stati Uniti cominciavano i processi e la diocesi di Boston pagava risarcimenti milionari, il cardinale di Torreòn fu elevato ad arciprete di Santa Maria Maggiore, una delle quattro basiliche patriarcali, cioè papali, assieme a San Pietro, San Giovanni in Laterano e San Paolo fuori le mura.

Cheesy Google translate:

The pontiff did not want to share the first images and the first public images with a prince Vatican macchiatosi of enormous sins, and has held the thought, or rather the desire: "I do not want this church still frequent." Although deprived of any office, Law still resides in the palace of Santa Maria Maggiore. Fact is that the pontiff Argentina, as the first act of cleaning, is willing to transfer to the prelate in seclusion would be perfect. It would be a revolution for the Vatican who protected Law subtracting the American judicial process. Because in 2004, while in the United States began the process and the Diocese of Boston paid compensation millionaires, the Cardinal of Torreon was elevated to archpriest of Santa Maria Maggiore, one of the four patriarchal basilicas, that papal, along with St. Peter, St. John Lateran and St. Paul Outside the Walls.

Note the phrase horribly translated by Google: "I do not want this church still frequent." The Italian for frequent is "frequenti" -- which is the second person singular. In other words, perhaps it should be translated: I do not want you to still frequent this church.

Now clearly the idea of "cloister" is the imagination of the reporter...but if, if the reporting of the statement by the pontiff is correct...he is saying that he doesn't want the notorious Law to frequent the basilica any more.

Also see this article: http://www.report84.it/78-prima-pagina/33667-cominciano-le-pulizie-di-pasqua-in-vaticano-papa-francesco-potrebbe-spedire-in-clausura-il-cardinale-law.

31 posted on 03/15/2013 3:08:25 PM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: ansel12
Fascinating ... Previously, the anti-catholic herd brayed that Law should be in prison. Unfortunately, the Commonwealth of Massachusetts found no grounds for putting him there. So ... Benedict XVI removed Law from power in Boston, and stuck his sorry carcass in a meaningless post in the Vatcian. Now, Francis wants to remove Law from his meaningless post and stick him in a cloistered monastery ... as close to incarceration as can be legally done with him ...

Is the anti-Catholic herd now going to bray that Law should be cut loose? Really?

If members of the anti-Catholic herd wonder why Catholics treat their opinions with contempt, perhaps the anti-Catholic herd should look no further than its own inconsistency and its own perpetual offendedness.

32 posted on 03/15/2013 3:10:02 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Gay State Conservative
,thus opening him up to possible extradition?

Extradition to where? Massachusetts? On what grounds? The guy may be a dirtbag, but the Commonwealth's Attorney found nothing with which to charge him. Stick him in a monastery, feed him bread and water. It's more than the secular authorities could do to him.

33 posted on 03/15/2013 3:12:46 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: markomalley

Oh, thank you for including me on this ping. This will be very interesting to follow. I’m sure the confirming news (either way) will be out soon.


34 posted on 03/15/2013 3:13:35 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Hilda

VERY good news!


35 posted on 03/15/2013 3:16:10 PM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: firebrand

At least he got the right “discreet”


36 posted on 03/15/2013 3:16:18 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (Don't fire until you see the blue of their helmets)
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To: ArrogantBustard

I didn’t realize that Law had a cheering section on FR, perhaps this new Pope is wrong about him.


37 posted on 03/15/2013 3:19:31 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: Hilda
Despite the scandal which exploded to engulf the entire church, he was given an honorary position at the Basilica Santa Maria Maggiore, in Rome.

Every Cardinal has a Rome-diocese church at which he conducts services when that Cardinal is in Rome, or so I understand.

So by barring Law from one of the perks of Law's cardinalate, Francis is rather forcefully inviting Law to disappear. (I don't know whether a pope can dismiss a cardinal. I tend to doubt it, particularly where the cardinal at issue was given that office by a prior pope. Anyone know?)

38 posted on 03/15/2013 3:19:39 PM PDT by pogo101
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To: RummyChick

I don’t see it that way. All we know from this second report is that there is a confirmation that the two men met.


39 posted on 03/15/2013 3:21:25 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: markomalley

That makes sense to me.


40 posted on 03/15/2013 3:22:34 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: ansel12
I didn’t realize that Law had a cheering section on FR

True, you didn't realize that. In point of fact, you still don't realize that.

You cannot realize a falsehood, no matter how hard you try.

You can bear false witness, but that practice is not recommended. I hope that you will refrain from bearing false witness in the future. May God grant you grace in your struggles with temptation.

41 posted on 03/15/2013 3:23:14 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: trisham

The original site said it was the exact opposite and it is. One says they met and the other says he refused to meet with him.


42 posted on 03/15/2013 3:23:50 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: ArrogantBustard
Fascinating ... Previously, the anti-catholic herd...

As stated by a member of the pro-child rapist herd...
43 posted on 03/15/2013 3:24:54 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: goat granny

Yes. I am very hopeful.


44 posted on 03/15/2013 3:26:23 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: rottndog
As stated by a member of the pro-child rapist herd...

I forgive you for bearing false witness against me.

45 posted on 03/15/2013 3:26:42 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Hilda

God Bless Pope Francis!

If this is true, good job your holiness.


46 posted on 03/15/2013 3:27:43 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: ntnychik; Hilda

Hope it holds true, it’ll put the ‘fear of God’ into the rest of the guilty!


47 posted on 03/15/2013 3:28:01 PM PDT by potlatch (~be content with small victories and simple pleasures~)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Your rage and animosity are impossible to understand, what did I say about Law that set you off?


48 posted on 03/15/2013 3:28:35 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
I forgive you for bearing false witness against me.

I'll consider forgiving you for bearing false witness against people who believe child rapists and those that protect them should get nothing but the harshest treatment of the church....but I can't guarantee it.
49 posted on 03/15/2013 3:29:59 PM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: pogo101

You mean that Law is STILL a Cardinal?? Is that true?


50 posted on 03/15/2013 3:31:12 PM PDT by ansel12 ( August 29,2008 A Natural Born Reformer inadvertently unleashed within palace walls, change ensues.)
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