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More Objective Reality (Cardinal Bergoglio celebrating a "youth Mass" complete with puppets)
Barnhardt.biz ^ | 03/17/2013 | Ann Barnhardt

Posted on 03/18/2013 6:45:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

More Objective Reality
Posted by Ann Barnhardt - March 17, AD 2013 1:02 PM MST

From 2011, Pope Francis, then Cardinal Bergoglio, celebrating a "youth Mass" complete with puppets. This is just about as bad as it gets, folks.

The consecrations are at the 5:30 and 6:15 marks. No genuflection. In fact not a single person there on the altar, such as it is, genuflects, much less kneels, except the young server in the front with the incense, who is on his knees. All of the rest of the concelebrating priests remain standing throughout, and of course, the two kid "cantors" just stand there between their performance opportunities.

I GUESS THEY MUST ALL BE CRIPPLED OLD MEN, TOO, HUH?

This is the state of the Church in Buenos Aires, and all of Argentina, as I have been told repeatedly by Argentinians who have emailed me, both laity and clergy. Banality, insipidity, sacrilege. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, Calvary made present, is treated as a bad joke.

And now, a quote from Cardinal Hummes of Brazil, who is one of Pope Francis' closest friends and colleagues, as evidenced by the fact that Hummes was standing beside Pope Francis on the balcony on Wednesday night:

Q: In what sense is reform necessary?

Cardinal Hummes: Not just of the Curia, but many other things: our way of celebrating ("fazer", lit. "making", "doing") Mass, of doing evangelization, this new evangelization needs new methods. The pope spoke in the meeting with the cardinals of new methods, we need to find new methods.

Citation here.

After what you have read here about the incredibly deep and profound theology of the Mass and the Eucharist over the last several months, you cannot be an honest person and truly believe that there is nothing wrong here, and that everything is fine.

Further, do you honestly expect a man who would participate in such a breathtakingly undignified liturgy to provide any sort of solidity when it comes to economic systems and a realistic path forward out of economic and geo-political collapse?

We are about to have a world war, and the new Pope thinks that the key to evangelizing the world is more liturgical puppets and "fun" Masses, apparently. Yeah. That's what all people are searching for. And besides, that worked so well in the 1970s, we might as well double-down and do it again.

Being an adult and manfully facing objective reality is not pharisaical. Going through life denying that which is obvious and right in front of you; swearing that everything is great and fine when in fact everything is collapsing around you is not good or virtuous. It is ridiculous, childish and sometimes just plain evil. We see this in politics, as people refuse to acknowledge that "their guy" or "their team" not only isn't going to save the day, but that "their guys" are actually the enemy. We see it in finance as people refuse to accept the stark objective reality of simple arithmetic. We see it in current events as more and more thefts, confiscations, incursions and perversions are carried out in plain sight, but the masses refuse to acknowledge that any of these things are indicative of disorder, and that the people talking and warning about them, even when proved right again and again, are either "mean" or "crazy".

With regards to the Church, the gates of hell will never prevail against it, BUT individuals can be lost and are lost to hell. How many souls lost are YOU willing to tolerate for the sake of being "nice"? If you want to talk about charity, here is where you start. Stop worrying about being nice and universally loved, liked or even respected and start telling people the truth, no matter how ugly it may be.

I don't give a lick what any of you people think of me, and I will never ask anyone for any money, ever. There are no advertisements here. There is no cash flow. There is no career ambition. There is no cult of personality. And that is why I am willing to tell you the unvarnished truth. If you want to be lied to, I can direct you exactly where you can go for that.

God is angry. Pray hard. Be sorry for not just your own sins, but for the sins of the whole world. Do penance. Make reparation.

Kyrie eleison. Christe eleison. Kyrie eleison.

Viva il Papa.

**Many readers are emailing asking for suggestions IF Cardinal Hummes' quote proves true and the Traditional Mass, namely the Tridentine Rite, is in any way suppressed or oppressed. I do have a suggestion that you may want to explore. There are several "Eastern Catholic Rites" that are in full, complete communion with Rome and are 100% Catholic that it would be all but impossible for a Pope to mess with - and the chant is GORGEOUS. Look for Byzantine Rite, or Ukrainian Catholic parishes. There are other Eastern Catholic Rites, but Byzantine/Ukrainian are the most common Eastern Catholic rites in North America. Just be certain that you are looking at a Catholic, and NOT Russian Orthodox or Greek Orthodox parish, as the Orthodox are NOT in communion with Rome, and thus lack validity, and also teach heresy, such as contraception, divorce and remarriage, etc., not to mention having messed-up Trinitarian theology, which as we have discussed, if not spot-on leads to massive problems.



TOPICS: Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; popefrancis
What difference does it make?
1 posted on 03/18/2013 6:45:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

What is wrong with this person? (the writer of the article) Is she the Pope’s pope?


2 posted on 03/18/2013 6:52:07 PM PDT by madison10 (King Putt and Queen Vacay...spending your $$ because they can.)
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To: madison10
I guess she thinks that the Mass should be about worshiping God.
3 posted on 03/18/2013 6:53:37 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
From 2011, Pope Francis, then Cardinal Bergoglio, celebrating a "youth Mass" complete with puppets. This is just about as bad as it gets, folks.


4 posted on 03/18/2013 6:54:15 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; madison10
Cool Mass, if you're into that sort of thing.
5 posted on 03/18/2013 7:14:45 PM PDT by caveat emptor (!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I imagine Pope Francis and Cardinal Hummes have decent relations, but the article’s assertion they are bosom buddies is silly. Hummes was regarded as the leading liberal candidate, and Bergoglio (in 2005) the leading conservative. Hummes is affiliated with Liberation Theology; Francis with Liberation And Communion. Hummes’ presence on the balcony was on the balcony as president emeritus for the congregation of clergy. Guilt by association won’t wash.


6 posted on 03/18/2013 7:16:40 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Your tag line seems kind of out of place since you keep posting this bullies opinions. Stand against the bullies, not with them. Dangerous ground I tell you, dangerous ground.


7 posted on 03/18/2013 7:22:02 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I don’t have time to watch the whole video. Are there puppets any closer to the altar than decorations in the crowd, or is the author simply trying to let people jump to false presumptions?


8 posted on 03/18/2013 7:22:07 PM PDT by dangus (Poverty cannot be eradicated as long as the poor remain dependent on the state - Pope Francis)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
So when a nobody with no power criticizes a somebody with immense power, the nobody is a bully?

You live in quite the bizzarro world.

9 posted on 03/18/2013 7:25:16 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

To my knowledge, the Pope has a bum knee, with pins in it. His bow in place of a genuflection is perfectly licit.


10 posted on 03/18/2013 7:41:52 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Please update yourself on criticizing Bishops, Cardinals and Popes.


11 posted on 03/18/2013 7:42:37 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Obviously she has the power of her blog and probably has a large following. She is causing scandal on herself and on the Church. When someone thinks they know better then God, that is a sin against the Holy Spirit. Disobedience to the Church and Church teaching is not being Catholic, she is showing herself no better then Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden. Cafeteria Catholic’s are all the same, maybe they don’t pick the same things to go against the Church about, but the result is the same, disobedience and scandal.


12 posted on 03/18/2013 7:43:01 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: dangus

Advance the video to 7:50 for the puppets and/or to 8:08 for what is said to be the “Smiling Christ On The Cross.”


13 posted on 03/18/2013 7:45:01 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

I watched the video. It is a children’s mass - it is a huge outdoor stadium. I think the writer is out in left field here. No disrespect to the Eucharist in this video.


14 posted on 03/18/2013 7:49:31 PM PDT by bagadonutz (knuckledragger)
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To: mlizzy
There's two different videos. It's 7:50 and 8:08 at this link. Sorry for any confusion.
15 posted on 03/18/2013 8:26:36 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Arthur McGowan
To my knowledge, the Pope has a bum knee, with pins in it. His bow in place of a genuflection is perfectly licit.

This is from a previous posts of Ann's regarding the new pope's failure to genuflect:

UPDATE:

Thanks to the reader who suggested this. This is Pope Benedict's last public Mass on Ash Wednesday, February 13, 2013. Note that Pope Benedict, frail to the point of citing his frailty as a reason for his abdication, fully genuflects to the knee, as every priest MUST do as a non-negotiable rubric of celebrating the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

And for anyone arguing that it is simply too difficult for anyone over the age of twenty-four to genuflect, may I remind you that the rubrics call for both hands to be flat on the altar, which lends a great deal of physical support to the priest, and for there to be servers on each side who can assist with the genuflections by holding the elbows of the priest. That is one of the reasons the servers are there - to physically assist the priest if needed.

The genuflection after the consecration of the Host is at 1:19:33. The genuflection after the consecration of the Chalice is at 1:20:21.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rviYNeMNJLI&feature=player_embedded
16 posted on 03/18/2013 8:48:59 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: fr_freak

Ann is a hysteric. And ignorant. And arrogant.

Genuflection is not a “non-negotiable.” (The only meaning that could carry is that genuflecting is necessary for validity.) That is preposterous. A priest may, if necessary, celebrate Mass seated. There is no physical act during the Mass that is “non-negotiable” other than the Epicletic Gesture.


17 posted on 03/18/2013 9:32:22 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Well, I'm not a Catholic scholar, so I'm not qualified to have an opinion regarding the technical importance of genuflecting one way or another. I do, however, think that the Pope is the Catholic of Catholics, and is therefore our earthly role model. So, while your average parishioner may take shortcuts here and there for convenience or out of apathy, the Pope should do everything in his power to show the most reverence possible, which, to my mind, means that if there is a way he can genuflect, he should, whether the Mass is invalid without it or not, just to demonstrate the highest standard of reverence to the rest of the flock.

However, as I admit ignorance of the technical aspects of this stuff, you might be better off having this discussion with Ann, herself. She appears to be quite receptive to communications from readers:

Ann@Barnhardt.biz
18 posted on 03/18/2013 9:48:25 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: mlizzy

This link does not open and the comments that follow appear to be in Spanish.


19 posted on 03/18/2013 9:54:46 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: bagadonutz

Do we have a link to this video?
Some of the “low-intellect” non-Catholic comments made here display a moronic bent.


20 posted on 03/18/2013 9:56:34 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I suppose this Mass was invalid, as well?


21 posted on 03/19/2013 1:09:30 AM PDT by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: fr_freak

Actually, the operative principle is that The Pope Is the Liturgy. I.e., whatever the Pope does in the liturgy is correct, by definition.


22 posted on 03/19/2013 3:51:47 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

Disobedience to the Church and Church teaching is not being Catholic, she is showing herself no better then Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden. Cafeteria Catholic’s are all the same, maybe they don’t pick the same things to go against the Church about, but the result is the same, disobedience and scandal.

...what utter and complete bloviating nonsense that is...please indicate in what regard the author is being disobedient to the Deposit of Faith...specify, if you would, specify...


23 posted on 03/19/2013 4:22:14 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Anne....trying to be more Catholic than the Pope.


24 posted on 03/19/2013 4:25:07 AM PDT by Solson (The Voters stole the election! And the establishment wants it back.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

Actually, the operative principle is that The Pope Is the Liturgy. I.e., whatever the Pope does in the liturgy is correct, by definition.

...so, if the Pope celebrates the liturgy using invalid matter (cookie dough), using illicit forms,(makes up his own eucharistic prayer), and has no intention of confecting the matter by the consecrational formula(hey, I’m just doing this for the symbolism of it), then that would be the way for us to go as well...just going by your statement...
...of course, I’m not suggesting that any priest has ever done what I’ve described...just that your statement seems curious...


25 posted on 03/19/2013 4:35:09 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

So when a nobody with no power criticizes a somebody with immense power, the nobody is a bully?

...apparently so... it is an odd supposition isn’t it? the entire power of the Vatican infrastructure against some lowly denizen of the blogosphere, and the lowly denizen is doing the bullying...

...you gotta wonder, sometimes...


26 posted on 03/19/2013 4:46:03 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Why is she complaining on a very special and joyous day for Catholics around the world?

I got up really early to see new Pope Francis, forgive if I do refer to the Pope as Pope Francis I from time to time because of first time refering to him with a name that was nevered used by Popes before, I am sadden that Ms. Bernhartz attacks Pope Francis who is just starting out.

PLEASE Ms. Bernhartz, REPENT and TURN BACK to God!


27 posted on 03/19/2013 4:53:02 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Arthur McGowan
Ann is a hysteric. And ignorant. And arrogant.

I'm getting a whiff of Westboro. Fred Phelps renegade daughter?

28 posted on 03/19/2013 5:32:22 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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How about she stop worrying about an EARTHLY tradition and start focusing on God’s revealed teaching contained in His Scripture? The Pharisees got all wound up in their RELIGION and forgot that God is Love. Jesus Christ cut through all of this nonsense; bringing sinners to the Father through His blood sacrifice and atoning death was His business. Don’t be carried away by things that do not have eternal significance.


29 posted on 03/19/2013 7:18:54 AM PDT by Arkansas Toothpick
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To: Biggirl

Why is she complaining on a very special and joyous day for Catholics around the world?

...perhaps because she is truly concerned about the future path of the Catholic Church...

PLEASE Ms. Bernhartz, REPENT and TURN BACK to God!

...Repent??? Repent for what??? What exactly did she say she should repent for? Again, be specific...you are aware, I’m sure, that even within Holy Mother Church one is allowed to speak his or her mind without fear of being branded a heretic?


30 posted on 03/19/2013 7:59:05 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: don-o

I’m getting a whiff of Westboro. Fred Phelps renegade daughter?

...so, you’ve deduced from the above article that this individual gathers outside the funerals of slain soldiers holding signs about how God hates the wicked...I obviously didn’t see that part in the text...please point it out to me...


31 posted on 03/19/2013 8:02:32 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"In fact not a single person there on the altar, such as it is, genuflects, much less kneels, except the young server in the front with the incense, who is on his knees. All of the rest of the concelebrating priests remain standing throughout"

Catechism of the Catholic Church #1378 - Worship of the Eucharist. In the liturgy of the Mass we express our faith in the real presence of Christ under the species of bread and wine by, among other ways, genuflecting or bowing deeply as a sign of adoration of the Lord.

32 posted on 03/19/2013 8:20:52 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: IrishBrigade
It is the culmination of her ranting that is the problem. She is causing very unjust scandals on Pope Francis before she even knows what he is going to do. Most everything she has ranted about has been proven wrong and she sounds no better then liberal Catholics trying to tell everyone they have the truth and others don't. You can read for yourself what she has written here at her blog, and if you agree with her opinions then so be it, but she is causing great scandal and harm to the man that has been chosen by the Holy Spirit to lead our Church and that is wrong. Do you believe any of her ranting will bring good people to the church or do you think those that value her opinion will turn away.

Pope Francis has touch the world with his humility and love. Catholics everywhere are proud he was chosen, believing him to be a true portrait of Christ on earth and how we should truly love as Christ did. People of other faiths can see this, too. All Ann can see is that he didn't genuflect, maybe it is because he can't. Did she ever think of that. Do you believe that Christ is not truly present in the Eucharist because he didn't genuflect? This is what she implies.

Jesus was not a warrior, that is what got him killed in the first place. They wanted a general to lead their armies and Judas thought by handing him over that would wake him up. Jesus doesn't care about our financial state, He cares if we feed the poor, were we merciful, loving and forgave our trespassers. It is up to us how we accomplish this, not Jesus. He just says do it.

As far as this current rant of her's, I believe Jesus said "Let the children come to me."
33 posted on 03/19/2013 8:26:16 AM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: IrishBrigade

Good luck defending Ann. She is an actual Catholic. Even to the point where she refuses to encourage schism. I give her credit for converting even while the Church shrinks out from under her. I guess being opposed to the previous conversion of seminaries to bathhouses where you discuss Marx is anti Catholic.


34 posted on 03/19/2013 8:26:47 AM PDT by Stentor (Shhhh!)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid
It is the culmination of her ranting that is the problem. She is causing very unjust scandals on Pope Francis before she even knows what he is going to do. Most everything she has ranted about has been proven wrong and she sounds no better then liberal Catholics trying to tell everyone they have the truth and others don't.

True. In fact some non-Catholics are setting a better example that would be beneficial for those Catholics engaging in these embarassingly mean-spirited attacks on our Holy Father, Francis to follow:

"As Catholics the world over get to know the man who will lead their church into the future, non-Catholics are joining them in praying for the success of newly elected Pope Francis and the 1.2 billion-member church he now leads."

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?subjectid=18&articleid=20130317_18_A13_ULNSoe794862

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"But if you have bitter zeal, and there be contentions in your hearts; glory not, and be not liars against the truth. For this is not wisdom, descending from above: but earthly, sensual, devilish." - James iii 14-15

35 posted on 03/19/2013 9:00:27 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: don-o

She’s dead right about a lot of things—like our lawless government. But she seems completely manic about the new Pope.


36 posted on 03/19/2013 9:14:20 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

The notion that only Scripture contains God’s revelation is a human tradition.


37 posted on 03/19/2013 9:16:20 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: IrishBrigade

No.


38 posted on 03/19/2013 9:18:19 AM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

It is the culmination of her ranting that is the problem. She is causing very unjust scandals on Pope Francis before she even knows what he is going to do.

...you accused the woman of disobedience to Holy Mother Church...I requested that you tell me what that disobedience was...the fact that you don’t like her world view doesn’t mean a thing...

...as far as scandals go, you’ve got to be kidding...a scandal? A scandal would be more priests being outed for homosexual relations with boys...or some prelates caught in bed with prostitutes...or a pope announcing his research showing that the Holy Mother was not virgin after all...a lowly blogger pontificating in cyberspace about puppet masses...not a scandal...

...a word of advice...accusing someone of disobedience to the Deposit of Faith is a very serious charge, not something you do just because you don’t like how that person parses her phrases...be careful how you throw that charge around...


39 posted on 03/19/2013 9:18:35 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Stentor

I guess being opposed to the previous conversion of seminaries to bathhouses where you discuss Marx is anti Catholic.

...remarkable what the seminaries did to the Faith in the late ‘60’s and early ‘70’s...


40 posted on 03/19/2013 9:27:12 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: IrishBrigade

“Stop worrying about being nice and universally loved, liked or even respected and start telling people the truth, no matter how ugly it may be.” I guess it all depends on who is telling their version of truth. The way I see it she is wrong in her tirades against the Church on the election of Pope Francis and you believe I am wrong. Guess we won’t know until Heaven who was right, If I am privileged enough to get there.

May God’s peace be with you and Ann.


41 posted on 03/19/2013 9:47:59 AM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: JPII Be Not Afraid

and you believe I am wrong.

...I believe nothing of the sort...I don’t know you at all and can thus assume nothing about you...I only remark that you have not isolated her actual disobedience, and I challenged you...as to whether her rant is useful or not, that is another discussion; what I saw in the posted video is not particularly distressful to me as a Catholic, but if it is to her, then so be it...


42 posted on 03/19/2013 11:54:31 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
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HABEMUS PAPAM!!! (Live Thread)

43 posted on 03/24/2013 4:34:13 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Arthur McGowan; E. Pluribus Unum

Canon law expert and advisor Edward Peters blogs at http://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/ and disagrees in his latest posts with your claim that “whatever the Pope does in the liturgy is correct, by definition.”

You posted before the Pope’s washing of the feet of women and non-Catholics in violation of canon law. Peters goes into the questions this action raises. I believe a Papal visit after the usual liturgical ceremony in a church would have been as effective a gesture of concern. Similarly, in regard to the 2011 Mass of Cardinal Bergoglio, why dilute the worship of Christ by turning the Mass into a spectacle with balloons, banners, puppets, and birds flying off? Why not have the rally before of after the Mass?

Thanks to E. Pluribus Unum for posting this for discussion. Vatican II allowed the liturgy to become politicized. We need to restore the dignity and focus of the Mass as the repetition of Christ’s sacrifice for us.


44 posted on 04/06/2013 10:56:08 AM PDT by ubipetrusest (save the liturgy, save the world)
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To: Solson
Anne....trying to be more Catholic than the Pope.

Ann knows she is slipping into irrelevance, now that she no longer any sort of player in the financial world. Her articles correctly identifying the problem with letting Corzine off scot-free were dead on, but now she has no inside connections and no reason for anyone to listen to her. I'm not sure why she thinks her new "attack the Pope' campaign is going to draw more eyeballs than attacking Corzine - who at least deserved it - but it is unseemly at best. The world has bigger problems than Papal puppetry - US Presidential puppetry being one of the biggest. ;)

45 posted on 04/06/2013 11:11:45 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves (CTRL-GALT-DELETE)
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To: ubipetrusest

What I meant was the the Pope has, technically, the authority to violate the rubrics. I didn’t mean that it was ipso facto a good decision. I think the Pope did harm by washing the feet of women.


46 posted on 04/06/2013 4:10:05 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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To: ubipetrusest

As you will note:

Ed Peters does not question that the Pope had the authority to wash the feet of women, contrary to the rubrics. The question is: Are there many who will claim the same authority even though they—not being Pope—have no such authority?

The answer is: Yes. Which means that the Pope’s action, though within his legal authority, undoubtedly will have negative effects.


47 posted on 04/06/2013 4:29:42 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan (If you're FOR sticking scissors in a female's neck and sucking out her brains, you are PRO-WOMAN!)
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