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Florida University Student Suspended After Refusing to Stomp on Jesus
Jan Morgan ^ | Jan Morgan

Posted on 03/21/2013 8:00:33 PM PDT by Morgana

A student at Florida Atlantic University has charged that his professor in intercultural communications class told the whole class to write the name JESUS in bold letters on a piece of paper, then drop the papers and stomp all over them.

The alleged incident happened three weeks ago on the Davie, Florida campus of FAU, according to WPEC-TV.

Junior Ryan Rotela, a devout Mormon, is the student making the charge.

“Anytime you stomp on something it shows that you believe that something has no value,” he told the South Florida CBS affiliate. “So if you were to stomp on the word Jesus, it says that the word has no value.”

Some students stomped; others, including Rotela, didn’t. He said he told the instructor, Deandre Poole, that the assignment offended his religious convictions.

(Excerpt) Read more at janmorganmedia.com ...


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: academia; antichristianbigotry; fau; florida; highereducation; jesus; leftismoncampus; multiculturalism; stomp
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1 posted on 03/21/2013 8:00:33 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

bump


2 posted on 03/21/2013 8:01:52 PM PDT by lowbridge (Joe Biden: "Look, the Taliban per se is not our enemy.")
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To: Morgana

Just like Mark Studdock in That Hideous Strength. (CS Lewis)


3 posted on 03/21/2013 8:08:27 PM PDT by far sider
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To: far sider

So glad to see that others on FR have read one of my favorite books.


4 posted on 03/21/2013 8:11:52 PM PDT by kabumpo (Kabumpo)
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To: Morgana

Stomp Jesus FAU professor (Dr. Deandre Poole)is a Dem. Party official

http://www.pbcdemocraticparty.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=366&Itemid=676


5 posted on 03/21/2013 8:12:49 PM PDT by massmike (At least no one is wearing a "Ron Paul - 2016" tee shirt........yet!)
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To: Morgana

This is the best that a university can offer for classes? Teaching folks how to stomp?

When you go back to the 1800s version of a university...it was about enlightenment and discussions over Greek tragic operas, Roman history, engineering, and communication. We didn’t really pump out that many folks, and if you ever admitted that you’d graduated from a real university....you were somebody.

Today? You basically graduate and admit you’ve been stomping on paper with God or Jesus written on it....as part of the classes. Folks would look at you.

The sad thing is that you could have taken a class on Greek tragic opera or Roman history, and been a thousand times more enlightened, than with the stomping class. Sadly, tax payers fund this stuff. Go figure.


6 posted on 03/21/2013 8:17:26 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Morgana

I’d like to see the professor try the same stunt with Mohammed and see what the reaction is.

What was the point of this idiocy? Does any legitimate teaching or learning go on in colleges these days? What sort of job does this prepare a student for - community organizer?


7 posted on 03/21/2013 8:18:39 PM PDT by generally (Don't be stupid. We have politicians for that.)
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To: Morgana

It’s impossible to go overboard with so-called ‘conservative conspiracies’ because they ALWAYS TURN OUT TO BE TRUE!!!

These are communists! There can be no other explanation. Under normal circumstances, the student would have just gotten a zero for class discussion and that would have been the end of it.

Can’t say I’m looking forward to civil war but it’s coming soon.


8 posted on 03/21/2013 8:21:46 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: pepsionice
This is the best that a university can offer for classes? Teaching folks how to stomp? When you go back to the 1800s version of a university...it was about enlightenment and discussions over Greek tragic operas, Roman history, engineering, and communication. We didn’t really pump out that many folks, and if you ever admitted that you’d graduated from a real university....you were somebody. Today? You basically graduate and admit you’ve been stomping on paper with God or Jesus written on it....as part of the classes. Folks would look at you. The sad thing is that you could have taken a class on Greek tragic opera or Roman history, and been a thousand times more enlightened, than with the stomping class. Sadly, tax payers fund this stuff. Go figure.

See the history of Pol Pot's Cambodia if you want to see where America is heading next.
9 posted on 03/21/2013 8:23:07 PM PDT by Wanderer99
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To: kabumpo

I’ve read it, though it’s been a long time.


11 posted on 03/21/2013 8:26:22 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: pepsionice
This is the best that a university can offer for classes?
Is this is what these students are setting themselves up for decades of student loan debt? More and more college is degenerating into a bigger scam than those late night get-rich-quick infomercials.
12 posted on 03/21/2013 8:33:35 PM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: Morgana; Elsie; Colofornian; restornu; svcw; aMorePerfectUnion; greyfoxx39; ejonesie22

Just another Latter Day Saint (Mormon) showing that his commitment to Christ our Saviour is the central theme in his life and in his heart.


13 posted on 03/21/2013 8:51:47 PM PDT by teppe (... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)
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To: Morgana

I would just write OBAMA in big letters and stomp on that. If questioned, I would say “You can stomp on my god, I’ll stomp on yours.”


15 posted on 03/21/2013 9:06:13 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Our economy won't heal until one particular black man is unemployed.)
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To: Morgana

wow

I am sure the ACLU and the Justice Dept will show up ASAP


16 posted on 03/21/2013 9:10:24 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: teppe

What Jesus is that T?
The Biblical Jesus or the was once a man lds jesus?
However, the bigger question is why is the university doing this crap-o-la in the first place?


17 posted on 03/21/2013 9:35:43 PM PDT by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: teppe

And yet the Book of Mormon and the LDS doctrine does the very same thing...


18 posted on 03/21/2013 10:00:51 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: kabumpo

Lets see how long he would have lasted if he had students stomp on a Koran? or an image of Mohammed? Not Long indeed. Some one better tell him that Islamic people revere Jesus too as Jehu—In their belief system he is greater than Mohammed (this I can agree with them on). A stupid lesson and one that should get his behind out of any class room. What does he think? that we live in a nation of Free Speech?


19 posted on 03/21/2013 11:13:42 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: teppe; All

“Just another Latter Day Saint (Mormon) showing that his commitment to Christ our Saviour is the central theme in his life and in his heart.”


Coincidentally, or maybe not, the other thread on this topic has more information. Therein, it claims that Student’s hesitation to not stomp is part of the intended purpose of the exercise. IOW, stomping on the name of Jesus isn’t something he could have been punished for, as it was expected that students would not do so or hesitate. The idea being, that it would be a way to move to a larger discussion on the power of names or symbolism.

As stupid as the lesson is, it’s pretty fishy that he would be punished at all for reacting according to script.

So, while I have no real sympathy for the university, I tend to lean on this being another one of those moments where the Mormon guy invents a dead girlfriend, or climbs up on the cross for attention, even though he knows we need the wood.

The early articles on this reek of sensationalism, and I think we need the professor’s side on it, or other students, to know what really happened.


20 posted on 03/21/2013 11:29:26 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Morgana

Davie has enough of a Catholic population between the Brazilian and Haitian population, not to mention the stray Cuban that commutes to the school. Religion taken very seriously for most immigrants. The school needs to rethink this...


21 posted on 03/22/2013 1:30:10 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: generally

HA! That might have set this goon professor straight! Instead of Jesus, write mahammed and see hus reaction.


22 posted on 03/22/2013 1:32:48 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to thoe tumbril wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: pepsionice

College degrees are worthless in many disciplines, if you could call them that.

If you have a degree in the sciences, it has a bit more bearing. If you take Physical Chemistry, you can either solve the problems and understand the concepts, or you can’t .

Of course, that is dependent on how the institution concludes you understand...many might just take your word for it, because they don’t want to lose the tuition revenues...


23 posted on 03/22/2013 3:06:26 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: Morgana

24 posted on 03/22/2013 4:18:32 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Morgana

He could have simply changed the name to Muhammed or Barack Obama and then stomped on it, since it was an exercise in religious desecration (liberals would hold Barack equivalent to a messiah)

of course then he might be targeted by a fatwa, not university suspension

ah decisions decisions


25 posted on 03/22/2013 4:26:19 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: OrangeHoof

you read my mind


26 posted on 03/22/2013 4:26:50 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: teppe
Just another Latter Day Saint (Mormon) showing that his commitment to Christ our Saviour is the central theme in his life and in his heart.

And I praise the young man for his stand!

My prayer is that his commitment will allow him to continue his education about Christianity and MORMONism and he'll make an even better decision in the future.

27 posted on 03/22/2013 4:41:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
Speaking of STOMPING...



Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

28 posted on 03/22/2013 4:42:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: rlmorel
College degrees are worthless in many disciplines, if you could call them that.

You fail to realize that college is a tool to make unemployment rates look better for 4 years...

29 posted on 03/22/2013 4:43:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe
(... for my God ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)

You've left out something:


(... for my God ... for my Church ... for my Family ... for my Country ....)

30 posted on 03/22/2013 4:46:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morgana
intercultural communications class

Take stupid classes, get stupid assignments...

31 posted on 03/22/2013 4:57:16 AM PDT by Moltke ("I am Dr. Sonderborg," he said, "and I don't want any nonsense.")
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To: teppe; Elsie; Greetings_Puny_Humans; Colofornian; svcw; Zakeet; Tennessee Nana; ...
Just another Latter Day Saint (Mormon) showing that his commitment to Christ our Saviour is the central theme in his life and in his heart.

Devoted Mormon or jealous killer? The 2 sides of Jodi Arias

32 posted on 03/22/2013 7:43:08 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks Mitt.)
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To: 4integrity

Ping!


33 posted on 03/22/2013 8:10:55 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Thanks for the ping!! Happy Palm Sunday!


34 posted on 03/22/2013 8:50:16 AM PDT by 4integrity
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To: teppe

I’m sorry.

I commend the LDS student for not stomping, but that doesn’t mean the lds-ord teaches the truth about the true Jesus, because they don’t.

Just for the record.


35 posted on 03/22/2013 9:02:10 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: greyfoxx39
Devoted MORMON or jealous killer?


What DIFFERENCE does it make??

36 posted on 03/22/2013 9:08:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: teppe

“Just another Latter Day Saint (Mormon) showing that his commitment to Christ our Saviour is the central theme in his life and in his heart.”

Devotion and commitment are good qualities, BUT faith is only as good as the object it is placed in... and in the mormonic case, a created spirit Christ cannot save.

The great news is that the REAL CHRIST is available to this student and to you teppe. Why not come to Him, teppe.


37 posted on 03/22/2013 9:30:00 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Gone rogue, gone Galt, gone international, gone independent. Gone.)
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To: greyfoxx39

I honestly think that girl is a couple fries short of a happy meal!!


38 posted on 03/22/2013 10:16:06 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: pepsionice
e sad thing is that you could have taken a class on Greek tragic opera or Roman history...

Today's students don't have the reading skills for that. Too many old words with lots of letters.

-PJ

39 posted on 03/22/2013 10:22:09 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: fishtank; teppe; Elsie; ejonesie22

Will you all please stay on topic!! This is thread is NOT about Mormons it is about Jesus and some liberal university trying to stamp his image out of young people’s minds.

Thank you very much Teppe for pointing out the young man was Mormon. I did not know this when I posted the article.

I do have this question to ask. How many of those other students in the class were “so called Christians”, went to church when they were growing up with Ma and Pa and yet did this horrible act?? Elsie, ejonesie22, and Fishtank it may have been people in YOUR religion, you don’t know!! All we do know is others did the stomping.


40 posted on 03/22/2013 10:24:17 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

As is typical here, anything praiseworthy done by a Mormon has be turned into a platform to try and cut them down. Sad that some are so insecure.


41 posted on 03/22/2013 11:35:04 AM PDT by Capt. Canuck
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To: Morgana

...and a toy; too!


42 posted on 03/22/2013 12:03:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morgana
Will you all please stay on topic!! This is thread is NOT about Mormons it is about Jesus and some liberal university trying to stamp his image out of young people’s minds.

Yup; A university teaches empty minds things.

And a false religion does the same.


MORMONism has STOMPED on ALL of Christianity; so it is quite the topic to stay on!

(You did read reply #28; didn't you???)

Yes Ma'am; my companion and I were taught in a university as well!

We learned all KINDS of things from our wonderful teachers!!


 
 
Professor Robert Millet        teaching at the Mission Prep Club in 2004  http://newsnet.byu.edu/video/18773/  <-- Complete and uneditted

 
 
Timeline...    Subject...
 
0:59           "Anti-Mormons..."
1:16           "ATTACK the faith you have..."
2:02           "We really aren't obligated to answer everyone's questions..."
3:57           "You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you."


43 posted on 03/22/2013 12:11:03 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Capt. Canuck
As is typical here, anything praiseworthy done by a Mormon has be turned into a platform to try and cut them down. Sad that some are so insecure.

As is typical here, someone is TRYING to misdirect the scorn for a FALSE RELIGION into a personal attack on someone.

And; as is typical here; it ain't gonna work.

44 posted on 03/22/2013 12:15:01 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Capt. Canuck
Sad that some are so insecure.

Yup; but just what is it that is so bad in MORMON culture that UTAH leads the nation in Prozac® usage?

45 posted on 03/22/2013 12:16:34 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morgana; teppe

And if they were they would get a good talking to. It said he was Mormon in the very article you posted. Teppe tried to make hay out of it and we shut them down. The irony was too much...


46 posted on 03/22/2013 12:16:45 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Capt. Canuck

Sad that some are so insecure.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-510918.html


47 posted on 03/22/2013 12:19:14 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Capt. Canuck

There is a reason for that. A very clear one.


48 posted on 03/22/2013 12:20:29 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Capt. Canuck
Sad that some are so insecure.

Hell!

Just who WOULDN'T be; with THIS fate awaiting them???


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

49 posted on 03/22/2013 12:21:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Morgana
Some students stomped; others, including Rotela, didn’t.
50 posted on 03/22/2013 12:27:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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