Posted on 04/01/2013 8:51:02 AM PDT by Salvation
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The belief that the Mother of Jesus was never stained with any sin, original or personal, and was also free from all unruly desires or concupiscence. By itself, deliverance from original sin does not mean liberation from the defects that are the result of sin. Mary, like Christ, was not exempt from those limitations which imply no moral imperfection. She lived a normal human life, had to labor, and was subject to pain and fatigue. But concupiscence implies moral blemish because it may lead to sin by exciting the passions to act against the law of God, even when, through lack of consent, a person does not formally do wrong.
Closely tied in with her integrity or absence of concupiscence was Mary's immunity from every personal sin during life. Her sinlessness may be deduced from the Gospel title "full of grace," since moral guilt is irreconcilable with fullness of God's friendship. St. Augustine held that every personal sin must be excluded from the Blessed Virgin "because of the honor of God."
He didn't rid her of it, He prevented it and in so doing did not violate any of His own laws.
Mary was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin at the first moment of her animation, and sanctifying grace was given to her before sin could have taken effect in her soul. "...was preserved exempt from all stain of original sin..." "The formal active essence of original sin was not removed from her soul, as it is removed from others by baptism; it was excluded, it never was in her soul.
Well, I’m sorry I intruded on your indoctrination.
I’m sorry you are not willing to find the truth. It’s actually very sad.
Arguing about Mary only keeps people from finding a close relationship with Jesus. That breaks my heart.
Well, I’m sorry I intruded on your indoctrination.
I’m sorry you are not willing to find the truth. It’s actually very sad.
Arguing about Mary only keeps people from finding a close relationship with Jesus. That breaks my heart.
The truth is in the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and AOISTKUC church that Christ founded.
I’m sorry you are not willing to find the truth. It’s actually very sad.
Back at ya. Have a happy Eastertide.
Cheers
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
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The truth is in the ONE, HOLY, CATHOLIC and APOSTOLIC church that Christ fouNDED.
But it's all a fable...A fallacy...
You guys don't seem to put much stock in the bible, the written words of God but you will jump off cliffs if your religion tells you to...There is nothing in the bible that gives your religion any authority...Your religion claims that authority for and by itself...
Jas 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
You see that??? While people can attempt to tempt God, God can not be tempted...It's not possible...
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Your religion wants you to believe that Jesus and his mother Mary took on the nature of sinless angels...He (they) did not...They could not...And why was that?
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Like unto his brethren...Not like a sinless angel, or a sinless mother, or even a sinless God...
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Do you see that??? Jesus was tempted...God can not be tempted...If Mary was sinless, Jesus could not have been tempted...
If the bible is true, and it is, Jesus was subject to lust...And his mother as well...
Jas 1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
If Jesus and his mother were not made of man's sinful nature, they could not have been tempted...That's why a human mother with a sinful nature was required for the birth of Jesus...Jesus could not be a successful High Priest...Jesus could not provide any relief for us had he not endured the temptation of different types of lust and pride...Jesus was not a man like God...Jesus was a man like us...
That's why God became a man...Because God is too Holy to be a man...Jesus and his mother were not...
If Mary would have been born without sin, the incarnation would have been pointless...
That entire post is a load of bunk...It was made up by people who want to make another Queen of Heaven to replace the one that we read about in the book of Jeremiah...There’s not a factual statement in either paragraph...
Those pamphlets you refer to are the Sacred words of God, the bible...
Read about Joachim and Anne, the parents of Mary, please!
And Joachim and Anne are not even mentioned in God's pamphlet...
Catholicism is consistent in its embrace of the entire revealed Word; both Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition which together form the Sacred Deposit of Faith. Unlike some who have taken it upon themselves to determine that the first 11 chapters of Genesis be taken absolutely literally and the references to the Real Presence in the Eucharist in the Gospels be taken symbolically, we have the continuity of a teaching authority stretching back to the the first Pentecost.
And yes, we have absolute faith. When we recite the Creeds, we begin with "Credo" which means much more than "I believe". Credo, from which we derive the words credit and credibility, means an absolute trust. Anyone can claim that they believe that parachutes work, even without knowing the physics behind the principles and materials used, but only those with an absolute trust will strap one on and jump from a perfectly good airplane. In reality very many who say they believe that parachutes work are too afraid to put their belief to the test. The same is true of Catholicism. When one absolutely trusts in God one puts full trust in the mysteries being true and makes that leap of faith.
Mysteries are not something that we can know nothing about, but they are things that we will never know everything about. That acceptance of our shortcomings is our faith. I would suggest that rather than trying to establish that your love of God is greater than Catholics' love of God by pointing out what you believe to be our errors you demonstrate your love is greater by loving more greatly. The presence or absence of the Fruit of the Holy Spirit will be the determinate factor. The second greatest commandment is important too.
Peace be with you
Tell me, when the Angel Gabriel said "Hail Mary full of grace" was he referring to her style of walking; tennis playing; dancing? Or was he referring to the condition of her soul i.e without sin?
Adam and Eve were tempted, and they were not made of Man's sinful nature. In fact, their giving in to temptation in the first place was the cause of Man's sinful nature. Its called Free Will. It is very hard to believe that you don't even understand the Fall and the concept of original sin, but there it is.
Grace is not something one owns...Grace has nothing to do with sin...Grace is unmerited favor from God...
All humans have been given the grace of God...
And BTW, the real scripture does not say 'full of grace'...It says that Mary found favor with God...No, Mary was not sinless...
So God punished mankind and gave them a sinful nature after Adam??? You got it a little backwards there bro...They had to have been created with a potentially sinful nature or like you claim of Mary, they couldn't have committed sin...Adam was given free will from the get-go...To disobey God, and commit sin...And he did...
“grace” is not salvation .. sorry.
Jesus said, “My grace is sufficient for you” .. and by that He meant that with your salvation, you would be able to do all that God had called you to do.
In the Greek, the word “Salvation” means: safety, soundness, preservation, healing, deliverance and prosperity.
If Mary received “grace” in order to carry and birth a child, I don’t have any issue with that.
I’ve been “personal” on this website for years.
She “was not willing” to even discuss the subject she was talking about .. instead, she just spewed her doctrine at me.
But .. you must be Catholic too - or otherwise you would not have said anything to me.
Don’t worry .. I won’t have any more conversations with her.
So God punished mankind and gave them a sinful nature after Adam??? You got it a little backwards there bro...They had to have been created with a potentially sinful nature or like you claim of Mary, they couldn't have committed sin...Adam was given free will from the get-go...To disobey God, and commit sin...And he did...
Gen 6:5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
God did not punish us with a sinful nature...God grieved because we all, including the first one had it...
It is very hard to believe that you don't even understand the Fall and the concept of original sin, but there it is.
Naw, I'm sure that you actually don't believe that I don't fall for the line(s) that your religion falsly dangles in front of you guys and calls it truth...A little bible will straighten out any Catholic education...
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