Skip to comments.What Happened to the Apostles and where their remains are today
Posted on 04/26/2013 1:28:31 PM PDT by NYer
Catholic / Orthodox ping!
I saw a History (International?) Channel on St. Peter’s Basilica as part of coverage of Pope Francis and “hidden Vatican.”
It was extremely fascinating to say the least. I would go as far as to say riveting.
I didn’t know all the apostles’ remains but Judas are accounted for.
I had an opportunity to go to several of the Roma churches....my favorite was Paul’s church.
It is simply beautiful, I was sad so few people were visiting but that allowed us to see the incredible artwork up close.
Very interesting chart, that is a keeper.
He runs the GOP these days.
Neither did I. This is really cool, thanks NYer.
It is interesting how they were tortured and murdered. And what they built survives to this day.
It is a reminder that Christians must be prepared to stand up for their faith even when threatened.
Thanks very much for this posting.
Take a tour of the Necropolis below the Vatican! You can do it from the comfort of your own home.
St. Paul Outside the Walls?
You can revisit it here. Enjoy!
Hey, thanks. What a great link.
I was able to visit the place where St. Thomas martyred in India. The entire place felt so Holy.
Only one died a natural death.
Saw the amphitheater Paul(or Peter) preached, walked the streets that Mary and James walked.......it gave me the shivers.
My granddaughter just kept saying Mary was here......
We saw a little chapel that had been dedicated to her, folk lore had it that was the place she liked to go and pray.
There were these great columns along the walkway to the amphitheater and one was about three feet higher than the others and it was called the column of James.
I just love that these areas are still there, and we can walk on the same streets these mighty people of God walked.
Thanks. Informative and interesting post!
The virtual tour is awesome. The actual tour is beyond belief. You go in a group of 12, only allowed in with a guide who is highly educated on what you will see, and lectures throughout the tour.
Standing about 12 feet from St. Peter’s grave is quite an experience.
The entry about St. Andrew’s death reminded me of the church (can’t remember the name) in Rome that has a large painting depicting his cruxifiction. The painting will stop you in your tracks. I wandered into the church not knowing it was there and was not prepared.
Where`s St. John the Baptist?
Where`s St. Mark? Where`s St. Barnabas? Where`s St. Luke?
If it was on the History Channel I’m shocked it did not say all of the Apostles were evacuated to the Mother Ship. (they were all Ancient Aliens, dontcha know...)
Anyone going to Rome reserve the scavi tour under St. Peter’s early.
I never thought about the remains.
A church in Heraklion, Crete, claims to have the head of St. Titus, the associate of St. Paul.
How about living descendants of Ulysses S. Grant - when was the last time they cracked the tomb open and did a tissue sample?
And how do we know these descendants are really descendants?
. The story unfolds during a pilgrimage to the Cathedral of Santiago de Compostela, which houses the remains of St. James. The physical journey takes on a spiritual component for all the parties involved. It's not an overtly Catholic, or even, "religious" film per se, and yet, IMHO, most any one watching it will end up reflecting on the direction their life is taking and how they set their priorities (and by extension, the role relics and tradition can play in that capacity).
It's not a perfect film, but a very good and accessible story for persons at most any level of spiritual development.
Just my $0.02.
“Very interesting chart, that is a keeper.”
The extraordinary thing about it is how many were martyred for their faith. It’s really hard to believe that they weren’t actually direct witnesses to the events recounted in the Christian scriptures. Otherwise, why would they willingly subject themselves to such frightful deaths? Those multiple acts of bearing witness are probably the most compelling proof of the veracity of the Christian scriptures.
I enjoyed "The Way." It's entertaining plus made a lot of people aware of the pilgrimage for the first time.
John really lucked out compared to the rest
Yeah, but he had to write the book reports. :-)
It was extremely fascinating to say the least. I would go as far as to say riveting."
I'm going to keep an eye out for that one. Normally I avoid the History Channel's Christianity-themed shows, but it's good to know there's one worth watching.
The manner of his death, said to have occurred at Albanopolis in Armenia, is equally uncertain; according to some, he was beheaded, according to others, flayed alive and crucified, head downward, by order of Astyages, for having converted his brother, Polymius, King of Armenia. On account of this latter legend, he is often represented in art (e.g. in Michelangelo's Last Judgment) as flayed and holding in his hand his own skin. His relics are thought by some to be preserved in the church of St. Bartholomew-in-the-Island, at Rome. His feast is celebrated on 24 August. An apocryphal gospel of Bartholomew existed in the early ages.
My secret is that when they do stuff about insects and jellyfish and the like, I also can’t change the channel.
Nature is a cruel and interesting b*tch!
LOL, quite true.
(Insects are permanently off the screen in this house-—I’m phobic!)
But I was asking about the purported grave sites of the Apostles. Should I take your raising other issues as a concession that there is nothing backing up the claim beyond the church’s say-so? I always wonder what is behind absolute statements in matters of religious sites and relics. Is it fact or is it faith that it is fact? As for the others...Grant is probably pretty easy to verify given the short time period involved (might even be photographic evidence of the burial). Tut? There is certainly a significant amount of archaeological evidence regarding his existence and rule, but it could be anybody inside the sarcophagus. It seems odd they would mummify the wrong guy when the pharaoh was seen as a god. Not sure who would benefit from the fraud either then or millennia later, but it’s possible.
In retrospect what really surprises me is that so few ministers teach the gospels in the context of how and why the apostles died. Indeed, I came to see the historical value of the apstles’ martyrdom entirely on my own. It would have been nice for at least one of my Sunday school teachers or the minister of my parents’ church to have explained the significance of those martyrdoms as proof of then historicity of the gospels. Indeed, those martyrdoms and the historical proof they provide ought to be at the core of any teaching of Christianity.
Often, this kind of language is a code word for "old wives' tale". However, the Church is, among other things, the oldest continually surviving historical institution today. It was vital for the Church to preserve an accurate historical record, especially of the relics and the martyrdom sites, because they were venerated as holy places and objects. Where the record is uncertain, the Church would be the first to say so. Consider, for example, the Catholic Encyclopedia reference to the martyrdom of St. Baltholomew that I quoted in #38. Would you dismiss that balanced and sober account as say-so?
Wow. Only one natural death out of 14.
Let us go over the two evangelists who were not apostles:
Considered by early Christians as a saint, he is believed to have died a martyr, although accounts of the events do vary.
Despot George of Serbia bought the relics from the Ottoman sultan Murad II for 30,000 gold coins.[not in citation given] After the Ottoman conquest of Bosnia, the kingdom's last queen, George's granddaughter Mary, who had brought the relics with her from Serbia as her dowry, sold them to the Venetian Republic. In 1992, the then Greek Orthodox Metropolitan Ieronymos of Thebes and Levathia (the current Archbishop of Athens and All Greece) requested from Bishop Antonio Mattiazzo of Padua the return of a a significant fragment of the relics of St. Luke to be placed on the site where the holy tomb of the Evangelist is located and venerated today. This prompted a scientific investigation of the relics in Padua, and by numerous lines of empirical evidence (archeological analyses of the Tomb in Thebes and the Reliquary of Padua, anatomical analyses of the remains, Carbon-14 dating, comparison with the purported skull of the Evangelist located in Prague) confirmed that these were the remains of an individual of Syrian descent who died between 72 and 416 A.D. The Bishop of Padua then delivered to Metropolitan Ieronymos the rib of St. Luke that was closest to his heart to be kept at his tomb in Thebes, Greece. Thus, nowadays, the relics of St. Luke are so divided: the body, in the Abbey of Santa Giustina in Padua; the head, in the St. Vitus Cathedral in Prague; a rib, at his tomb in Thebes.
1.The Martyrdom of Saint Luke the Evangelist
On this day, St. Luke the Evangelist and physician, was martyred. He was one of the 70 disciples mentioned in the tenth chapter of his gospel. He accompanied the Apostles Peter and Paul and wrote their account.
After the martyrdom of these two Apostles, he went through Rome preaching. Those who worshipped idols and the Jews in Rome agreed among themselves and went to Nero the Emperor accusing St. Luke of attracting many men to his teaching with his sorcery. Nero commanded that St. Luke be brought before him. When St. Luke knew that, he gave all the books he had to a fisherman and told him, "Take these and keep them for they will be useful to you and will show you God's way."
When St. Luke came before Nero the Emperor, the Emperor asked him, "How long will you lead the people astray?" St. Luke replied, "I am not a magician, but I am an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Living God." The Emperor commanded his men to cut off his right hand saying, "Cut off this hand which wrote the books." The saint replied to him, "We do not fear death, nor the departure from this world, and to realize the power of my Master." He took up his severed hand and made it reattach to its proper place, then he separated it. Those who were present marvelled and the head of the Emperor's cabinet and his wife believed as well as many others and it was said that they numbered 276. The Emperor wrote their decree and ordered that their heads be cut off together with that of the Apostle St. Luke; thus their martyrdom was completed.
They placed the body of the saint in a hair sack and cast it in the sea. By God's will, the waves of the sea brought it to an island. A believer found it, took it and buried it with great honor. This saint wrote the Gospel bearing his name and the "Acts of the Apostles" addressing his words to his disciple Theophilus who was a gentile.
The date of Mark's death is uncertain. St. Jerome ("De Vir. Illustr.", viii) assigns it to the eighth year of Nero (62-63) (Mortuus est octavo Neronis anno et sepultus Alexandriæ), but this is probably only an inference from the statement of Eusebius (Church History II.24), that in that year Anianus succeeded St. Mark in the See of Alexandria. Certainly, if St. Mark was alive when II Timothy was written (2 Timothy 4:11), he cannot have died in 61-62. Nor does Eusebius say he did; the historian may merely mean that St. Mark then resigned his see, and left Alexandria to join Peter and Paul at Rome. As to the manner of his death, the "Acts" of Mark give the saint the glory of martyrdom, and say that he died while being dragged through the streets of Alexandria; so too the Paschal Chronicle. But we have no evidence earlier than the fourth century that the saint was martyred. This earlier silence, however, is not at all decisive against the truth of the later traditions. For the saint's alleged connection with Aquileia, see "Acta SS.", XI, pp. 346-7, and for the removal of his body from Alexandria to Venice and his cultus there, ibid., pp. 352-8. In Christian literature and art St. Mark is symbolically represented by a lion. The Latin and Greek Churches celebrate his feast on 25 April, but the Greek Church keeps also the feast of John Mark on 27 September.
This last week our pastor said that St. Mark’s relics were stolen from Alexandria where he was a bishop and talken to Vienna. (I think that was the V word.)
I am planning a trip to hike the Camino Way to Compostela, where James in buried.
Its testimony is immediately suspect, because it still exists and maintains its teaching 1900 years after the original skeptics said it was supposed to go away.