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Vatican Punishes French Priest for Being a Freemason
BBC ^ | 5/24/13

Posted on 05/25/2013 3:31:08 PM PDT by marshmallow

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To: marshmallow

Not a Roman Catholic, but I’m liking this Pope more and more.


61 posted on 05/26/2013 2:10:47 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: The Great RJ

To be fair, it seems like this Pope is doing so now.


62 posted on 05/26/2013 2:12:43 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: knarf

LOL


63 posted on 05/26/2013 2:14:35 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: BlackElk

Well said.

Many years before I became a Knight, my council would have an annual Mason-Knight dinner (sounding like the wallboard Masonite) where the council and the lodge together would have a black-tie affair and donate the proceeds to a common charity.


64 posted on 05/26/2013 2:16:35 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: JimRed
The former priest in question has taken a vow of obedience and violated that oath. This is not a matter of individual "conscience" or for individual interpretation. The Vatican's ban on ANY Catholic belonging to the Masonic Order goes back at least to 1738 and Pope Clement XII's In Eminenti Apostolatus and reiterated by many popes since, notably (on six occasions) by Blessed Pius IX in the mid 19th century and by Pope Leo XIII in the late 19th century and more recently by Josef Cardinal Ratzinger (later Pope Benedict XVI) as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith with the approval of Blessed Pope John Paul II.

It would appear that the former priest has been excommunicated latae sententiae which resolves any conflict between his "Catholicism" and his membership in the Lodge. He is now a Mason and no longer a Catholic whatever he may imagine unless and until he repents and renounces his membership in the Lodge.

The American rituals of Freemasonry are available from Barnes and Noble which published them in one volume. I suspect that the Vatican has adequate intelligence assets or other sources to be quite familiar with the rituals of Europe's Oriental Lodges. Don't you agree?

65 posted on 05/26/2013 2:34:57 PM PDT by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society: Rack 'em, Danno)
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To: NKP_Vet

Wrong. A doorknob is not a supreme being


66 posted on 05/26/2013 2:46:18 PM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: BlackElk
May God bless your dad.

He has greatly. He and I went to Sunday School and Church together today. This afternoon we drove around and surveyed the wheat crop. It is all about ready to harvest. He is happier if he is busy and does not have much time to reflect on the loss of my mom.

He has health issues but is pretty tough for 87. We reflected on his & other's military service today before our Sunday School lesson. I reminded our classmates that we do not really direct our path but God does. They all understood what I meant.

And thank you for your reflection on our fraternities and the local relationships. The citizens of the U.S. have always been kind people as a whole. The most generous and compassionate in the world. We often get a bad image for the actions of a few. The part that is largely ignored or missed by the press is that the few bad among us are generally not Christians. We are charged to be more than that and be a force for good in the world and our communities.

67 posted on 05/26/2013 3:43:39 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: BlackElk
Dear BlackElk,

Although I agree generally with the tenor of your comments, it must be noted that American freemasonry did provide support to the anti-Catholic forces in Mexico during their revolution, and was also waist-deep in trying to deny American Catholics their civil rights in the United States through their efforts (often successful at the state level) to pass Blaine Amendments, and in one northwestern state, an actual attempt to ban Catholic schools altogether.

I imagine most American masons today are not such active, rabid anti-Catholics, even while the evidence suggests that some of the European lodges are still virulently anti-Catholic. But even American masonry, historically, is steeped in anti-Catholicism.


sitetest

68 posted on 05/26/2013 4:39:47 PM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: BlackElk

Thank you very much for a truly informative posting that indicates the KofC is not biased in the manner that some previous postings on the thread had stated.

I worked for about 20 very closely with two men who were very active in leadership in their KofC. Salt of the Earth! I’m well aware that KofC, like Masons, provide much to the needy and to charitable causes.

Thanks for your long service.


69 posted on 05/26/2013 7:26:25 PM PDT by octex
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To: Coleus
If you read another post I made to a FReeper on this thread, many priests were murdered in Mexico by the Freemason and Socialist regime in the 1920’s; it is not that hard to research....maybe you should put forth the effort!!!!

The fact that some Masons in Mexico did something horrendous does not add a damn thing to your argument....are you insinuating that any organization that has members who do horrendous things then by association all members are guilty. If this is your standard then please share your opinion of an organization that conceals for years the sexual assault on children by some of the leaders of that organization. Would you hold this organization to the same standards you seem to hold Masons to. Masons have the same problems as any other organization in that certain individuals and certain groups of individuals do not abide by their oaths. Nothing in freemasonry excludes Catholics from joining and Catholics were excluded not by the Masons but by the Catholic church. Your assertion that Catholics were excluded by Masons is patently false. The fact is there are numerous Catholics in Freemasonry now and were in Freemasonry when the KoC was created and the Catholic church forbid Catholics from joining freemasonry.

70 posted on 05/27/2013 4:35:48 AM PDT by ontap (ion. Would you suggest that that organization)
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To: NKP_Vet

One of the stupidest post I can recall!!!!


71 posted on 05/27/2013 4:39:18 AM PDT by ontap (ion. Would you suggest that that organization)
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To: ontap

I known many masons and believe me God is not in the equation. Or the Supreme Being as Masons call it. I got the door knob reference from a good friend, who happens to be a Master Mason of many years.


72 posted on 05/27/2013 5:18:44 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

I am a Mason and God is very much in the equation, you know nothing of Masonry as your post testifies to and spare me the “I know many masons” BS . Unfortunately any one can come on Free republic and claim anything they wish.


73 posted on 05/27/2013 5:32:37 AM PDT by ontap (ion. Would you suggest that that organization)
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To: ontap

I highly recommend you read some of John Salza’s work, he used to be a high-ranking official in the Lodge, but left and became a KofC. He runs the website ScriptureCatholic.com, and has a special section for Freemasonry. Here’s one of them: http://scripturecatholic.com/freemasonfaq.html


74 posted on 05/27/2013 6:08:42 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: ontap
I am a Mason and God is very much in the equation, you know nothing of Masonry as your post testifies to and spare me the “I know many masons” BS .

Ditto.

I knew the Knights of Columbus was a mutual benefit society, which in the early days worked well for members.

A couple of weeks ago I was talking with a friend, who is a member of the K of C.

He has whole life insurance and annuities through the K of C.

Two of the biggest ripoffs in the USA, regardless of who sells them to you.

What the members of the society do for good deeds may be fine, but they should run in the other direction when the salesman shows up.

As far as being a Mason goes, if it was good enough for George Washington and many of the other founding fathers of the country, it's good enough for me.

One of the main reasons this country was founded with our religious freedoms was what various religions, such as the Catholics, Puritans, New Awakening, and other such religions had done in Europe and in the colonies.

There was plenty of shame to go around, both Catholic and Protestant.

75 posted on 05/27/2013 6:12:13 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
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To: Mogger

http://scripturecatholic.com/freemasonfaq.html#faq04

“Freemasonry also reverences all religious writings and places these writings on par with God’s written Word found in the Bible. Thus, Masonry places all religious writings on its altar (Book of Mormon, the Vedas, Zend Avesta, the Sohar, the Kabalah, the Bhagavad-Gita, the Upanishads or any other religious writing). This is because, unlike Christianity, Freemasonry does not believe that the Bible is the revealed written Word of God. Instead, Freemasonry views all religions as equally plausible attempts to explain the truth about God which, in the end, cannot be known”.

~ As for me and my house we will serve the Lord
Joshua 24:15


76 posted on 05/27/2013 6:35:40 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet
I have no desire to read anything from a man who ebbs a sways and has no regard for an oath. He is free to leave the Freemason and I wish him peace....I do not however put any confidence or trust into anything he has to say on the subject of freemasonry. If you trust a man who betrays his brothers do you have the same regards for the numerous people who have left the Catholic church!!!
77 posted on 05/27/2013 6:35:52 AM PDT by ontap (ion. Would you suggest that that organization)
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To: NKP_Vet
Masonry is not a religious organization and has no desire to be. It quite simply is an organization of God fearing people of all faiths who desire the to come together for a higher purpose and to serve our fellow human beings and engage in friendly camaraderie. So you are correct we do not advance any theology nor to we desire to do so!!!
78 posted on 05/27/2013 6:43:23 AM PDT by ontap (ion. Would you suggest that that organization)
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To: Mogger
Some of our good Catholic friends , in their zest to condemn Masons conveniently forget The inquisition centuries ago and the molestation of choir boys just decades ago!!!! I don't believe for a moment all Catholics are to blame for the sins of a few....the few however were the leaders of the church!!!
79 posted on 05/27/2013 6:47:55 AM PDT by ontap (ion. Would you suggest that that organization)
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To: ontap

The fact is there are numerous Catholics in Freemasonry now >>

I am well aware of this fact and know many Catholics who are in the masons; I even know some K of C members who are also in the masons. It doesn’t mean that it’s right and they risk excommunication.


80 posted on 05/27/2013 7:35:13 PM PDT by Coleus
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