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1 posted on 06/04/2013 8:30:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

So much for taking the high ground...


2 posted on 06/04/2013 8:32:31 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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Treating homo’s with ‘dignity and respect’ would be to straighten them out while they’re on this Earth, instead of tacitly condoning this abomination. There is a Hell, don’t forget.

And by the way, church/spiritual leaders are held to a higher standard because of their influence on so many others.


3 posted on 06/04/2013 8:38:14 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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True... you can BE gay and be Catholic. That wasn’t the question. Can you be gay AND morally straight? That answer is NO from a BSA and Catholic perspective.


5 posted on 06/04/2013 8:38:54 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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Is the American Catholic Church separate from the Roman Catholic Church? If so, when did this occur?


6 posted on 06/04/2013 8:39:01 AM PDT by txnativegop (Fed up with zealots)
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This looks like liberal media cherry-picking. The same National Catholic Committee on Scouting statement underlined this:

-"Any sexual conduct, whether homosexual or heterosexual, by youth of Scouting age is contrary to the virtues of Scouting."
-"As Catholics, we believe that engaging in sexual activity outside of a marriage is immoral (CCC [Catechism of the Catholic Church] 2396)."

A previous statement issued by that body immediately after the BSA vote was even more explicit: "The Catholic Church teaches that people who experience a homosexual inclination or a same sex attraction are to be treated with respect recognizing the dignity of all persons. The Church's teaching is clear that engaging in sexual activity outside of marriage is immoral. Individuals who are open and avowed homosexuals promoting and engaging in homosexual conduct are not living lives consistent with Catholic teaching."

8 posted on 06/04/2013 8:41:20 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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I went to the NCCS-BSA website and found the letter. It is very carefully worded, and I suppose does not directly oppose Catholic teaching on the issue.

It’s a pdf file, unfortunately, but here it is:

http://nccs-bsa.org/comment/Response-EPM-130529-v2.pdf

As he says, no sexual activity is encouraged in the Scouts, gay OR straight. Still, I think this is dumb, because you know the libs are going to use this to push this agenda.

And it’s quite right to say that there will be no bullying. But “anti-bullying” is being used by the PC Police to force people to say that gay is good—or you’re a bully for hurting their feelings.

Regretably, a carefully worded letter like this WILL be misinterpreted. And I’m afraid that may be what the writer intends. He is very careful not to go against Christian teaching, BUT he is effectively laying back and encouraging others to do so.


9 posted on 06/04/2013 8:42:14 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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You’ll see this go off the rails the minute a Catholic Scoutmaster tries to straighten one of ‘em out.


12 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:16 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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Since when have local parishes EVER taken orders from the national hierarchy?

A lot of them WILL stop sponsoring, despite the directive.

Same with the Methodists, who say they won't withdraw support.

14 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:22 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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National Catholic Committee on Scouting?

Sounds real official to me.

16 posted on 06/04/2013 8:44:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (It is the deviants who are the bullies.)
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An opposing view:

Priest cuts ties to Boy Scouts over gay scout decision (WA)

20 posted on 06/04/2013 8:59:28 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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The Good Lord declares homosexuality “an abomination.” Thus, there is no debate, discussion or different points of view. And yes there are versus in the bible that state that God Hates the sinner. Are people so stupid as to think God loves the soul in hell?
21 posted on 06/04/2013 9:00:26 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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Supposedly, according to one interpretation, the third secret of Fatima foretold of infiltration and the compromising and weakening the Church's stances on Biblical principles, essentially causing the Church's failure and fall to the dark side, so to speak.

It's interesting (to me) to think about, especially when I read of all the Church's internal scandals, problems, and compromises and hear personal testimonies of current and former Catholics that support that Fatima interpretation.

Things have changed rapidly in my lifetime, in positive ways at first, but then a sharp turn away from that path to something very different.

There are many sorts of warfare and this is an interesting sort of war we're in, but it's likely to turn into one of the more familiar versions soon. God, help us.

23 posted on 06/04/2013 9:04:01 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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One of our jobs is to protect our kids from perverts....not encourage their presence. They’re ALL predators....there is no other way to increase their numbers. They solicit.


25 posted on 06/04/2013 9:11:32 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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And they wonder why attendance has declined.


29 posted on 06/04/2013 9:29:04 AM PDT by Ray76 (Do you reject Obama? And all his works? And all his empty promises?)
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Not in conflict? Say, what?!?


35 posted on 06/04/2013 10:02:36 AM PDT by bgill (The problem is...no one is watching the Watch List!)
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So the new BSA policy "is not in conflict with Catholic teaching"? That's nice. Does this mean that the previous BSA policy on homosexuals was in conflict with Catholic teaching? Because the policy has done a 180. Previously homosexuals were excluded, now they're welcomed.

Is Martin telling us that Catholic teaching can be tortured, twisted and stretched to accomodate both of these positions?

Going along to get along has severely wounded Catholicism in the US. The urge to make Jesus a sign of compromise rather than a sign of contradiction has done untold harm.

37 posted on 06/04/2013 10:14:48 AM PDT by marshmallow
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you know we’re near the end when a church comes out in defense of a pro-homosexual policy and rebukes a priest who’s correct on the issue.

we don’t need the rcc to explain the policy change, we know exactly what it means and we know it’s ridiculous and arbitrary and is a slippery slope on purpose, and we know sodomy is not part of being morally straight.


39 posted on 06/04/2013 10:54:21 AM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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Good thing their opinion is just that and not something any Catholic has to give any serious weight to.


44 posted on 06/04/2013 1:11:49 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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This group does have a bit of a conflicting interest:

If the Church no longer supports the Boy Scouts this group disappears, it’s reason for existence gone.


45 posted on 06/04/2013 2:19:05 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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Edward Martin and his ilk are either useful idiots or leftists. Either way they promote the homosexual agenda and sacrifice innocent or led astray youth to the devil by adopting this corrupt well intended means in pursuit of a noble end.

On one hand they claim the BSA is religiously 'oriented' and that to promote religion they must remain members while on the other hand they claim that homosexual 'oriented' has NOTHING to do with promoting homosexual sex?

Ambiguously 'Gay', meet Ambiguously Religious -a partnership brokered by satan himself.

46 posted on 06/04/2013 2:39:05 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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