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The Man Who Forced Prayer Out of Schools, 50 Years Later
First Things ^ | 6/18/13 | Katherine Infantine

Posted on 06/19/2013 6:37:38 AM PDT by marshmallow

Ellery Schempp, at 16 years of age in 1956, stayed in his seat while the rest of his high school class stood to recite the Lord’s prayer; he flipped through the Koran while his homeroom teacher recited ten verses from the Bible. What began as a quite protest in his Philadelphia high school became Supreme Court case Abington v. Schempp, which declared Bible readings and prayer in public schools unconstitutional.

“A sense of fairness motivated the teen. He knew his Jewish friends were uncomfortable and believed the same must be true for other religious minorities and non-believers,” and his parents backed his idea.

“I was touched by the children here,” said Schempp recently after watching a fifty-year anniversary skit performed by 4-13-year-olds, reenacting his classroom protest. “First of all, I noticed that they didn’t know the Lord’s Prayer. You can blame me for that.” Today, Schempp is a Unitarian and self-proclaimed atheist and secular humanist.

Whether or not the children know Schempp by name, they certainly live with his legacy. When told, “Back in those days, we read the Bible in school,” one child who now attends Schempp’s former high school immediately replied, “They can’t do that. It’s against the Constitution.”

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To: Borges

If you’re partial to sewers.


41 posted on 06/19/2013 10:00:14 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: marshmallow
Of course Schempp is a crack-pot; but the blame should not go to the puppet. The blame should go to the Warren Court, which turned the Constitution upside down, to begin the deconstruction of our heritage, in case after case in the same era.

For a Conservative exposition on the issues as far as religion goes, Leftwing Word Games & The First Amendment.

William Flax

42 posted on 06/19/2013 10:07:03 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: metmom; wintertime
I don’t know any homeschoolers crying for *religiously neutral*.

There’s no such thing.

Well she who must be laughed at has said it on at least a dozen occasions. Have you given up reading her tirades?

43 posted on 06/19/2013 10:10:17 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: traderrob6

All cities have sewers.


44 posted on 06/19/2013 11:31:42 AM PDT by Borges
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To: fwdude

I’d always believed that decent people were in bed at a decent hour, at least their children were.


Depending where you lived of course but many kids slept outside in the 40s 50s and 60s, we always slept out side when it was warm enough and depending how much room the house had, and if it was too warm in the house

I had no idea i was being indecent.


45 posted on 06/19/2013 12:16:53 PM PDT by ravenwolf
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To: ravenwolf

Of course, you were HOME. and you were in bed. That’s my point. These kids were running loose in the streets.


46 posted on 06/19/2013 12:40:14 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: marshmallow

The beauty of Christianity is that the God I serve still wants to save short-sighted fools like Ellery Schempp from eternal damnation.

And ‘you can blame Him for that’, Ellery.


47 posted on 06/19/2013 12:42:14 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: marshmallow
Whether or not the children know Schempp by name, they certainly live with his legacy. When told, “Back in those days, we read the Bible in school,” one child who now attends Schempp’s former high school immediately replied, “They can’t do that. It’s against the Constitution.”
48 posted on 06/19/2013 12:43:02 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Whether or not the children know Schempp by name, they certainly live with his legacy. When told, “Back in those days, we read the Bible in school,” one child who now attends Schempp’s former high school immediately replied, “They can’t do that. It’s against the Constitution.”

I'll take a Constitutional citation to that effect whenever that child is ready to provide it. Be exact, child. I'll be waiting.

49 posted on 06/19/2013 12:43:53 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Blather. Reince. Repeat.)
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To: Borges; traderrob6
All cities have sewers.

There's a difference between *All cities have sewers* and *All cities are sewers.*

50 posted on 06/19/2013 12:46:08 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Borges

Chicago is a pustule. So is Boston.

They are places where, if you are a native, then the rules don’t apply. If you’re not, then the smallest infraction of those rules are used to hammer you into the turf.

Chicago was the birthplace of the Communist movement in America, and it is the home of the current Socialist movement in America. It is almost completely corrupt.

It is a pock.


51 posted on 06/19/2013 12:48:36 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: marshmallow

Today, Schempp is a Unitarian and self-proclaimed atheist and secular humanist.

Scumbag.

According to the theory of Natural Rights, all the rights we enjoy were granted by God, not the state. Take God out of the equation and what do we have?

Besides that SCOTUS decision was insane. It, in effect, blocked the free exercize of religion which is specifically protected by the First Amendment.

How this evil tempered, self-righteous little old turd can be pleased with his accomplishments is beyond me.

Must be an Obama Marxist too.


52 posted on 06/19/2013 12:50:07 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: RinaseaofDs

I did say ‘politics aside’. It’s a beautiful and vibrant city.


53 posted on 06/19/2013 12:56:50 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Borges

Excellent steakhouses. Morton’s, Lawery’s, and there’s one run by the mob near the Hard Rock. I’ve been to the Palm’s there, but it wasn’t as good as the original Morton’s.


54 posted on 06/19/2013 12:58:30 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: RinaseaofDs

Ruth’s Chris is also great. Rush talks about it.


55 posted on 06/19/2013 1:11:55 PM PDT by Borges
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To: Colonel_Flagg

This whole thing is a complete propaganda stunt with obviously moronic “students”. And none of them, allegedly, knew the Lord’s Prayer? Given that the ethnic makeup of a modern urban school in Philadelphia is most likely African American, that is VERY disturbing, as black Americans have historically been devout Christians. Or maybe they’re learning islam at home.....


56 posted on 06/19/2013 4:03:37 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Frank_2001
Given that the ethnic makeup of a modern urban school in Philadelphia is most likely African American, that is VERY disturbing, as black Americans have historically been devout Christians.

Looking at various demographic statistics over the years and the results of the last two presidential elections I would change that to "Christian in name only".

57 posted on 06/20/2013 2:33:45 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: ardara
The Supreme Court was so liberal in 1963 our country is lucky we survived it.There must be a lesson here.

The difference is that in 1963 a large reserve of moral capital was still a foundation of the Zeitgeist of the Age. The radical Supreme Court was an anomaly, and many of their radical decisions were merely formal, and not immediately enacted by a society which still largely revered godliness and public morality.

That reserve of moral capital has now dwindled to a tenuous thread after decades of incessant chiseling away by the 60's barbarians. Any similar radical decision today is bound to be acted upon by the reprobate political party in power.

58 posted on 06/20/2013 8:13:47 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: verga
Please no messages to me.

Of course you can continue. If you do, do not be surprised if some conclude that government school defenders ( some of whom are government school teachers) are bullies and stalkers.

59 posted on 06/21/2013 3:06:45 PM PDT by wintertime (Yuri Besmenov was a prophet.)
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To: wintertime; humblegunner
Please no messages to me.

Of course you can continue. If you do, do not be surprised if some conclude that government school defenders ( some of whom are government school teachers) are bullies and stalkers.

I am truly sorry, the moderator has told you that you can't say that anymore.

I am pinging Humblegunner so that he can verify this.

If you like I will be glad to find the post and direct you to it.

60 posted on 06/21/2013 4:57:52 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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