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Jimmy Carter vs. Blessed Virgin Mary Regarding the Male Priest
Canterbury Tales ^ | June 24, 2013 | Taylor Marshall

Posted on 06/25/2013 2:24:03 PM PDT by NYer


President Carter seems very concerned about the Catholic doctrine of the male priesthood. Speaking at the Carter Center's "Mobilizing Faith for Women" the former President answered some questions about women and religion. Let's look at his words against the Catholic Church and then I'll provide three systematic responses:
"And I think the great religions have set the example for that, by ordaining, in effect, that women are not equal to men in the eyes of God. This has been done and still is done by the Catholic Church ever since the third century, when the Catholic Church ordained that a woman cannot be a priest for instance but a man can. A woman can be a nurse or a teacher but she can’t be a priest. This is wrong, I think. 
And again, President Carter says: "And then after about the third century when men took over control of the Catholic Church, then they began to ordain that women had to play an inferior position, not be a priest."
Now I can understand where President Carter is coming from. First, he and his wife are Baptists. As Baptists they do not believe in a sacerdotal doctrine of the priesthood. 

Unlike the Baptists, the Catholic Church believes that the priesthood is not merely a ministerial function or office. Rather, when a man is ordained a priest, he is configured to Christ in a special way. His soul changes. We call this the indelible seal or character of Holy Orders. This is why there have never been women priests in the Catholic Church - not in the third, second, or first century. Never.

1. Jimmy Carter, Let's Take a Look at the Mystery of the Transubstantiation

Not only does the priest's soul undergo a metaphysical change, but the priest loans his own body and voice to Christ when he recites in the Holy Mass "This is my body." This act transubstantiates bread into the true Body of Christ.

Let's pause here. This is my body. Human bodies come in two versions: male and female. God designed it this way. Both sexes image God because, as the Church teaches, both sexes are ensouled and rational. See Genesis for details.

However, when the priest says, "This is my body," he is acting in persona Christi (in the person of Christ). Now then Christ is male. He was circumcised. The body that He offered on the cross was male. For this reason, only men can be priests because the Catholic Church mystically identifies the male Body of Christ with each and every male priest. The sacramental signification requires a man to stand in for the God-Man Jesus Christ at the altar.

2. Jimmy Carter and Clericalism

Secondly, President Carter unknowingly slips into clericalism. Clericalism is the insidious belief that clergy are de facto holier and more important than everyone else. As a Baptist, he likely sees his pastor as a CEO and/or a gifted public speaker. These functions parallel those of secular companies. Hence, to exclude women is, in his mind, sexist.

But the Catholic Church does not see priests as CEOs or primarily as preachers/teachers. Rather, priests are chiefly "fathers." Their relationship to other people is not transactional, it's paternal. Only a dad can be a dad. Again, it's a male thing. The Aramaic word for "father" is Abba meaning "giver of love."

3. Jimmy Carter, please meet the Blessed Virgin Mary

Here's the third and final thought:

I'd like to point out that the Catholic Church explicitly teaches that the greatest human person ever created is the Blessed Virgin Mary.

Mary is not only a woman, she is the Woman. The Catholic Church also teaches that she is higher than all Catholic priests, even higher than the twelve apostles. In fact, she is higher than every single angel. 

The priesthood, even the papacy, is not the highest "job" in the Catholic Church. In fact, the Catholic Church features many beautiful female saints in the canon of the Mass. I would even argue that the Catholic Church celebrates femininity more than any other religion and certainly more than any other Christian denomination. 


At the end of the day, the Catholic Church teaches that it is holiness and intimacy with Christ that is most important, not being a priest. As a former Episcopal priest, I could go on to be a married Catholic priest. But I chose not to do so. Why? Because I realized that my personal "yes" to God is enough. Nothing more is needed of me. 

I love priests. I kiss the hand of every priest I meet. I truly love priests because without them there is no Holy Eucharist and no supernatural life in the world. However, as my former spiritual director Father Ron Gillis (who died just last week) taught me, "At the front of most Catholic churches are not side altars dedicated to Peter and Paul, but to Joseph and Mary - a reminder that the priesthood supports the Church and not the other way around." 

That's a beautiful and simple lesson for all of us.

May Father Ron Gillis rest in peace. It's too bad that he could not have shared that insight with President Jimmy Carter.

Fr Ron Gillis, rest in peace. Please say a Hail Mary for the repose of his soul.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Ministry/Outreach; Worship
KEYWORDS: baptist; carter
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To: JCBreckenridge

This Southern Baptist does not. Jimmy does not like us either. : )


21 posted on 06/25/2013 3:08:58 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: CdMGuy

He is NOT a Southern Baptist. He left us years ago after meddling in our beliefs. Do not know what group he belongs to now.


22 posted on 06/25/2013 3:10:46 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: NYer
"And I think the great religions have set the example for that, by ordaining, in effect, that women are not equal to men in the eyes of God. This has been done and still is done by the Catholic Church ever since the third century, when the Catholic Church ordained that a woman cannot be a priest for instance but a man can. A woman can be a nurse or a teacher but she can’t be a priest."

So what? A man can be a priest but he can't give birth to a child. Men and women are different, but differences do not amount to inequality.

Jesus scandalized His disciples by talking with the Samaritan woman at the well. The Bible clearly shows the love of God for His children, both male and female. There is no inequality in Christianity.

Maybe the peanut farmer should tackle the way women are viewed/treated by Muslims and by their false god. That's next up, no doubt. /s

23 posted on 06/25/2013 3:13:54 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: NYer

Whenever Jimmuh comments about Catholicism, or even Judaism, it should be regarded as if the comments had come from a “moderate” Muslim Imam. Perhaps even less so.

Carter failed at his original religion. Then, when they refused to change their beliefs as he wanted them to, he left them in a huff.

Bottom line: Jimmuh just does not grasp the whole “religion” thing. Likely he is unable to even grasp the idea of a spiritual God, any more than other primitive people don’t grasp that their gods are not the same as the graven idols of their gods.


24 posted on 06/25/2013 3:17:37 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I’m sure it’s high on the Agenda. ;)


25 posted on 06/25/2013 3:22:10 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: NYer

I never had a problem with that statement. What the Bible is saying “Call no man Father of Creation” has nothing to do with calling a priest father. As was explained to me and also by the Apostles calling members of their flock “my son” or “my child” .... makes sense to me.


26 posted on 06/25/2013 3:31:15 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)
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To: NYer

Jimmy Carter, still harming the country after all these years.


27 posted on 06/25/2013 3:32:38 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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To: JCBreckenridge

Well, he did mention “great religions”, so..../s


28 posted on 06/25/2013 3:48:19 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: fwdude
Of course she's not God!

Seriously!!

29 posted on 06/25/2013 4:00:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can obseve a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)
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To: NYer

I appreciate the author describing Catholic doctrine, and immediately have to ask “Where is all of that in Scripture?”


30 posted on 06/25/2013 4:17:32 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: NYer
Jimmah vs. the cult of the BVM

A plaque on both their houses?

31 posted on 06/25/2013 4:33:28 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means." --I. Montoya)
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To: nickcarraway

Carter was a FAILED President.

The President that came after him, Ronald Reagan teamed up with not just only Margaret Thatcher but Blessed John Paul II who made it possible for Eastern Europe to go free after many years under communism.


32 posted on 06/25/2013 4:56:01 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I said A god.

But with all of the images erected of her, you’d think so.


33 posted on 06/25/2013 5:06:25 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Lee N. Field

We’ll take the “plaque”. Jimmy can have the plague.


34 posted on 06/25/2013 5:16:42 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: CdMGuy

If you insist on saying Jimmy Carter is a fine upstanding Southern Baptist.
We must be fair and belive Nancy Pelosi is a fine upstanding Catholic.

I am willing to say they are both heretics.

A professed believer who maintains religious opinions contrary to those accepted by his or her church or rejects doctrines prescribed by that church.


35 posted on 06/25/2013 5:38:29 PM PDT by ThomasThomas (If you keep your crayons in the box you can't color.)
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To: fwdude

The obtuse are easily confused.


36 posted on 06/25/2013 5:38:44 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: CatherineofAragon

I guess that rules out Islam then.


37 posted on 06/25/2013 5:39:29 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: avenir

Where can one find the following words in Scripture: Bible, Incarnation, Trinity?


38 posted on 06/25/2013 5:40:14 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: A.A. Cunningham
The obtuse are easily confused.

You love saying that word, don't you?

39 posted on 06/25/2013 5:42:11 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: ThomasThomas

Technically Nancy Pelosi is a member in good standing of the Catholic Church tho I think that may change in the near future.

Jimmy Carter is no longer a member of the Southern Baptists period.


40 posted on 06/25/2013 5:46:44 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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