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Pope Francis and the drama of sodomy in the Church and in the Diocese of Rome
RorateCaeli blog ^ | 6/27/2013 | New Catholic

Posted on 06/27/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Pope Francis and the drama of sodomy in the Church and in the Diocese of Rome
The explosive report by La7 network

The affirmation by Pope Francis that there is a “gay lobby” in the Vatican, should not be reduced to an extemporaneous quip, but evaluated and weighed in all of its tragic consequences. “There are truly some saintly people in the Curia, but there is also a current of corruption. There is talk of a “gay lobby” , and it is true, it exists. We have to see what we can do about it.”

The Holy Father pronounced these words during a private audience with the leaders of the Confederation of Latin American Religious (CLAR) which took place in Rome on the 6th of June 2013. It was a private meeting, and the interlocutor was an authoritative body, which [afterwards] drew up a written report of the Pontiff’s conversation. This text was not destined for publication, but it is authentic, demonstrated by the fact that it went all round the world without any refutation from the Holy See.


The Pope did not refer to the Church in general, but to the Vatican, which is graver, because this is where he lives, surrounded by his closest collaborators. And it is exactly inside the Leonine City he affirms that a “lobby” exists, that is, a powerful and organized group, able to do all that a lobby normally does: exercise, in a licit or illicit manner, heavy pressure by directing some decisions in their own favour. The interests of a “ gay lobby” would be, in this case, that of promoting men who share the practice or ideology of homosexuality inside the Vatican institutions, and of avoiding the condemnation of this vice as it is [condemned] by the public conscience of the Church.

Ernesto Galli della Loggia, in an article published in the “Corriere della Sera” of the 23rd of June, wrote “I ask myself what would have happened if this expression – 'gay lobby' – had been adopted by Pope Ratzinger instead of Pope Francis, or more modestly, by a representative of the most acclaimed male chauvinism such as Silvio Berlusconi (…). You do not need much to imagine [the reactions]: accusations from all parts about language blatantly homophobic, heated protests about the denigrating and persecutory intentions implied in such an expression, complaints from all the homosexual associations, (…) and so forth. As in fact happened punctually in the past every time someone used similar words, and this someone for whatever reason was hated by that political part which identifies itself (no ifs and buts about it) with the cause of homosexual civil rights. But this time the expression 'gay lobby' was used by a person like Pope Francis, who has earned the universal reputation of being 'simple and good', to strike a group of powerful prelates, who have earned – let us be clear, for reasons more than justly deserved – the same universal reputation as the 'baddies'. I add simplifying quite brutally: because this time the words in question were intended to strike at a part that is generally considered corrupt and reactionary by definition, (in the first place, from the homosexual movement itself and its exponents). And thus [the term] 'gay lobby' can be used.”

It could also be asked why the same mass-media which speaks of “moral complicity” when a bishop intervenes in a very weak way towards a pedophile priest (see example : Francesco Merlo, That Slap to Cardinal O’Brien, in “La Repubblica”, 17th May 2013) [but] they are ready to attack him with “homophobe”, if he should intervene in a firm manner with a homosexual priest. Why is pedophilia a crime and homosexuality a right? The answer is simple. For the pseudo-relativist culture, that which renders pedophilia a crime is not its moral disorder, but the fact that the acts against nature are done harming minors. The reference is not to the moral law, but to the unlimited self-determination of the individual.

Pedophilia violates the rights of minors, while homosexuality affirms those of adults. Pedophile priests and homosexual priests in reality, appear to form the same “lobby” that is why they drink from the same libertarian, pansexual ideology, which has also penetrated inside the Church over the last fifty years.

The “homo-heresy”, namely, the theology of homosexuality, denounced by Father Dario Oko (With the Pope against Homoheresy), goes hand in hand with the theology of married priests. In both cases the enemy is the ecclesiastic celibate, a moral pillar which the Church has held on to since Her origins. Anyway, if the Pope expressed himself in these terms, he did so for obvious reasons. Some, such as the vaticanist Ignazio Ingrao, sustain that an entire chapter dedicated to the “gay network” is present in the relatio reported by the three cardinals charged by Benedict XVI to investigate the Curia: Julian Herranz, Salvatore De Giorgi and Jozef Tomko (Panorama, 24th June 2013). There are those who hypothesize that it was exactly the discovery of the presence of this network that would have pushed the abdication of Pope Benedict, by then intent in renouncing the Papacy. (“Il Fatto” 11th June 2013). There are also those who think that the words of the Pope would not be extraneous to the news that reached him about the events of Almo Collegio Capranica, denounced on the site “Corrispondenza Romana” in the article “The Drama of Sodomy in the diocese of Rome” which was promptly obscured by the Roman Tribunal. Behind that law-suit was the Rector of the Almo Collegio.

During the news on “La7 on the 25th June (http://tg.la7.it/cronaca/video-i722957) we learned of an inquiry in course by the Roman Magistrates concerning a head-spinning ring of sexual encounters hosted by religious with minors. The denunciation which triggered off the investigation would contain around twenty names, among which is a papal master of ceremonies, a secretary to the Cardinal Vicar, four parish priests in charge of as many parishes to the north and west of Rome and other personalities of a high ecclesiastical level.

The behavior of certain ecclesiastical authorities confronted with scandals of this sort is astounding. When they learn of the existence of an immoral situation in a parish, in a college, in a seminary, they do not proceed to verify the truth, remove the guilty party and eliminate the filth, but manifest annoyance, if not reprobation towards those that have denounced the evil, and, in the best of cases, they limit themselves by taking into consideration that which may interest civil justice, for fear of being involved in judicial matters. They are silent about that which has purely a moral and canonical significance. The slogan could be “ zero tolerance” for the pedophiles, “maximum tolerance “ for homosexuals. The latter continue unperturbedly to occupy their places as parish priests, bishops, rectors of Colleges, forming that “homo-mafia” which Pope Francis defines as the “gay lobby.”

The Pope’s affirmation goes beyond the grave denunciation of the “ filth in the Church” made by Cardinal Ratzinger on Good Friday 2005, on the eve of his election to the Papacy. Also in that case the future Benedict XVI was certainly referring to the moral plague which, under the form of pedophilia, ephebophilia or more simply homosexuality was spreading throughout the Church. But the significance of Francis’ declaration is wider and reaches the one of Paul VI who in his homily of 29th June 1972, stated that “from some crack, the smoke of Satan” had entered “the Temple of God.” What is happening is exactly the consequence of that smoke of Satan which today is covering and suffocating the Church. Will Pope Francis intervene? This is the heartfelt plea of all those who are praying and battling for an authentic doctrinal and moral reform of the Mystical Body of Christ.

[Roberto de Mattei, Corrispondenza Romana, June 27, 2013; translation and source: Contributor Francesca Romana.]


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To: Brian Kopp DPM
I think this Pope is actually going to take on the gay lobby at the Vatican. Prediction? The entire Curia is replaced en masse, soon. What will happen outside Rome is anybody’s guess.

I'll venture a prediction of my own: the Catholic Church is about to experience their third "500-year storm". I'd wager that we witness a massive schism take place in the next 20-30 years, splintering along orthodoxy and heterodoxy lines that leave the Episcopal Church looking like amateurs.

61 posted on 06/27/2013 6:59:49 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Uncle Miltie
The parish priests and the parishioners who volunteer their time, talent and treasure are the strength of the church. The homosexual conspirators infiltrated the seminaries and the Catholic Colleges. They hide their true nature from the faithful. They conspire together and protect and advance each other's careers.

Pope John Paul II began the program to get rid of homosexuals, leftists and others who were poisoning the church. The man who he relied on to head the program was then Cardinal Ratzinger who became Pope Benedict.

The Evil One who Pope Francis has referred to as “The Father of Lies” will always try to infiltrate and corrupt the good and the holy.

62 posted on 06/27/2013 7:05:00 PM PDT by detective
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To: detective; Chode

“Pope Benedict worked to solve this problem, first as a Cardinal and then as Pope. Pope Francis must expel these people from the church. “

I knew this was coming for a long time. Benedict was just too old to fight it anymore and this is why he stepped down. I just pray Francis can fight it. Please God give him the strength.


63 posted on 06/27/2013 9:55:56 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
We don’t need to do anything about the celibate priest status quo to fix this problem whatsoever. We just need to be Catholic again, and return to our former discipline of weeding out any and all homosexuals from the priesthood.

Looking at this in what I feel is realistic, the apostle Paul was the exception to the rule...

Man was created to desire a woman...While Jesus said it's great to be a eunuch for the kingdom of God's sake, I suspect there aren't many who could handle this role...

So while your religion requires men to become these eunuchs when they enter the ministry, apparently many find out in the long run, they can't abide by that initial decision...

I believe that if somehow your religion could weed out those who can't live up to the commitment they made, your religion would be only a small fraction of the size that it is today...

64 posted on 06/27/2013 10:01:17 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: ThomasMore
I know several young men from my own parish...note: several, that left the seminary...they were at Mount St. Mary’s...because of the “shower games” on the third floor.

Obviously they were in the minority...

65 posted on 06/27/2013 10:08:17 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: A.A. Cunningham
Only if you ignore John 6 and 1 Corinthians 11, for starters. Your oft demonstrated modus operandi is to ignore most of Scripture.

What, you got a 2 chapter bible???

Not only do I not ignore any scripture, most of us on this side post enough scripture to drive you guy nuts...Perhaps you just don't recognize it...

, there are 1,187 more chapters in the bible that you seem to not be aware of...

66 posted on 06/27/2013 10:20:26 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Marcella
I’m a Catholic and think priests should be allowed to marry women.

Despite the teaching of Christ and St. Paul?

Jesus nor Paul taught against married bishops or any other clergy...

Jesus said there are eunuchs for the kingdom's sake and Paul said it's good if you can remain single, but do not forbid any to marry...

Peter's children likely would like to have a conversation with you...

67 posted on 06/27/2013 10:26:43 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: piusv; Brian Kopp DPM
You know what? This is absolutely upsetting and horrifying for many of us Catholics here. It would be nice if the Protestants here would take the high road ...just for once... out of respect for what many of us feel right now.

Your Magisterium has a queer lobby...This has been going on for a long, long time...I'd say you guys have been in denial for just as long...

Most Catholics on these threads usually counter with, 'well, it's just as bad or worse in secular schools, so',,,,,

You and Brian Kopp seem to the only two actually shook up about this situation...

68 posted on 06/27/2013 10:37:21 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: trisham
I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

It does appear that hell is prevailing against your Church...

69 posted on 06/27/2013 10:40:06 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: A.A. Cunningham; metmom
It wasn't deafening on June 17, 2013 or June 16, 2013

Sure it was...There wasn't any response to those posts that I could find...

70 posted on 06/27/2013 10:43:43 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Boogieman
Maybe now that the Pope himself has acknowledged the issue, they will have to admit it.

Their pope admitted it in the recent past...And what did they do??? They accused the news papers of false reporting...

71 posted on 06/27/2013 10:46:46 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Petrosius; Brian Kopp DPM
Much of the problems that have arisen in the Catholic Church over the last 40 years can be traced to their presence and their attempts to change the faith. I, for one, would like to see this brought to the light of day so that they can be excised from the Church.

Read St. Peter Damien's Book of Gomorrah discussed here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/696871/posts. The problem of clerical pederasty and homosexuality goes back well over a THOUSAND years.

72 posted on 06/27/2013 10:52:18 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
No, I think this Pope is actually going to take on the gay lobby at the Vatican. Prediction? The entire Curia is replaced en masse, soon. What will happen outside Rome is anybody’s guess.

Does the Pope HAVE that kind of power? I'm honestly asking this because there have been conflicting comments posted here about what exactly the Pope can or cannot do WRT the Catholic Church. Is there actual canon law that permits the Pope the authority to essentially "fire" the curia and start fresh?

73 posted on 06/27/2013 10:59:32 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: count-your-change
“He can't know just how deep and extensive the rot goes but surely he can't be on the Titanic”

The Titanic is a poor analogy. The problem is not with ordinary, faithful Catholics. The problem is with a homosexual conspiracy that has infiltrated the Catholic colleges, seminaries and in some cases the hierarchy.

These people are evil. Expelling them will make the church stronger.

74 posted on 06/28/2013 3:28:19 AM PDT by detective
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To: detective

“The Titanic is a poor analogy. The problem is not with ordinary, faithful Catholics”

Ordinary faithful Catholics are having their children, their faith and their wallets abused and they don’t have their hands on rudder.

But if the Titanic isn’t a good analogy perhaps the city Of Nineveh or Jerusalem?


75 posted on 06/28/2013 3:45:43 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change
A good analogy would be the United States of America. Ordinary citizens are hard working, patriotic, moral and law abiding. The colleges and government have been infiltrated by evil people who abuse ordinary citizens and confiscate their honest, hard earned income.

The only difference is the Pope is not a communist and a homosexual like the President is.

I believe in God and my faith is important to me. I love my country. It saddens me that both institutions have been infiltrated by evil.

76 posted on 06/28/2013 4:11:54 AM PDT by detective
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To: Morgana
Amen...
77 posted on 06/28/2013 4:56:19 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: boatbums

The problem of sin goes back to Adam. I do not deny that there is, and has always been a problem. I do object if anyone tries to suggest that this is typical of the Catholic priesthood or characteristic of the Catholic faith.

While there have always been sinners among the clergy, there is something different in these past 40 years. There has been a general apostasy among many of the clergy. I believe that this started before the council with a desire among heterosexual Catholics, both clergy and laity, to follow the trend in the greater society to separate the end of sex from marriage and the procreation of children. Once this became acceptable, contrary to Church teaching, it gave justification to homosexuals. If sex is not ordered toward the procreation of children what objection can there be for homosexual sex? This facilitated a greater presence of homosexuals among the clergy who placated their consciences with this justification. Vatican II was falsely used as the mask authorizing this rejection of Catholic teaching.

For 40 years they, with their libertine heterosexual clerical allies, have desperately been trying to break Catholicism form its historical roots and rebuild it in their own image; the original hope and change. This is why we see such a chasm between what the Church teaches on the Magisterial level and how it is often lived at the local level.


78 posted on 06/28/2013 6:56:21 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: boatbums

The Curia is the Pope’s staff and serves at his pleasure. To remove a bishop or priest from the clerical state however would require concrete prove and a canonical trial.


79 posted on 06/28/2013 7:04:37 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: detective

Or being in a position of power over others will almost certainly corrupt a person or at the least bring to the surface corrupt tendencies.


80 posted on 06/28/2013 7:41:42 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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