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Pope Francis and the drama of sodomy in the Church and in the Diocese of Rome
RorateCaeli blog ^ | 6/27/2013 | New Catholic

Posted on 06/27/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM

Pope Francis and the drama of sodomy in the Church and in the Diocese of Rome
The explosive report by La7 network

The affirmation by Pope Francis that there is a “gay lobby” in the Vatican, should not be reduced to an extemporaneous quip, but evaluated and weighed in all of its tragic consequences. “There are truly some saintly people in the Curia, but there is also a current of corruption. There is talk of a “gay lobby” , and it is true, it exists. We have to see what we can do about it.”

The Holy Father pronounced these words during a private audience with the leaders of the Confederation of Latin American Religious (CLAR) which took place in Rome on the 6th of June 2013. It was a private meeting, and the interlocutor was an authoritative body, which [afterwards] drew up a written report of the Pontiff’s conversation. This text was not destined for publication, but it is authentic, demonstrated by the fact that it went all round the world without any refutation from the Holy See.


The Pope did not refer to the Church in general, but to the Vatican, which is graver, because this is where he lives, surrounded by his closest collaborators. And it is exactly inside the Leonine City he affirms that a “lobby” exists, that is, a powerful and organized group, able to do all that a lobby normally does: exercise, in a licit or illicit manner, heavy pressure by directing some decisions in their own favour. The interests of a “ gay lobby” would be, in this case, that of promoting men who share the practice or ideology of homosexuality inside the Vatican institutions, and of avoiding the condemnation of this vice as it is [condemned] by the public conscience of the Church.

Ernesto Galli della Loggia, in an article published in the “Corriere della Sera” of the 23rd of June, wrote “I ask myself what would have happened if this expression – 'gay lobby' – had been adopted by Pope Ratzinger instead of Pope Francis, or more modestly, by a representative of the most acclaimed male chauvinism such as Silvio Berlusconi (…). You do not need much to imagine [the reactions]: accusations from all parts about language blatantly homophobic, heated protests about the denigrating and persecutory intentions implied in such an expression, complaints from all the homosexual associations, (…) and so forth. As in fact happened punctually in the past every time someone used similar words, and this someone for whatever reason was hated by that political part which identifies itself (no ifs and buts about it) with the cause of homosexual civil rights. But this time the expression 'gay lobby' was used by a person like Pope Francis, who has earned the universal reputation of being 'simple and good', to strike a group of powerful prelates, who have earned – let us be clear, for reasons more than justly deserved – the same universal reputation as the 'baddies'. I add simplifying quite brutally: because this time the words in question were intended to strike at a part that is generally considered corrupt and reactionary by definition, (in the first place, from the homosexual movement itself and its exponents). And thus [the term] 'gay lobby' can be used.”

It could also be asked why the same mass-media which speaks of “moral complicity” when a bishop intervenes in a very weak way towards a pedophile priest (see example : Francesco Merlo, That Slap to Cardinal O’Brien, in “La Repubblica”, 17th May 2013) [but] they are ready to attack him with “homophobe”, if he should intervene in a firm manner with a homosexual priest. Why is pedophilia a crime and homosexuality a right? The answer is simple. For the pseudo-relativist culture, that which renders pedophilia a crime is not its moral disorder, but the fact that the acts against nature are done harming minors. The reference is not to the moral law, but to the unlimited self-determination of the individual.

Pedophilia violates the rights of minors, while homosexuality affirms those of adults. Pedophile priests and homosexual priests in reality, appear to form the same “lobby” that is why they drink from the same libertarian, pansexual ideology, which has also penetrated inside the Church over the last fifty years.

The “homo-heresy”, namely, the theology of homosexuality, denounced by Father Dario Oko (With the Pope against Homoheresy), goes hand in hand with the theology of married priests. In both cases the enemy is the ecclesiastic celibate, a moral pillar which the Church has held on to since Her origins. Anyway, if the Pope expressed himself in these terms, he did so for obvious reasons. Some, such as the vaticanist Ignazio Ingrao, sustain that an entire chapter dedicated to the “gay network” is present in the relatio reported by the three cardinals charged by Benedict XVI to investigate the Curia: Julian Herranz, Salvatore De Giorgi and Jozef Tomko (Panorama, 24th June 2013). There are those who hypothesize that it was exactly the discovery of the presence of this network that would have pushed the abdication of Pope Benedict, by then intent in renouncing the Papacy. (“Il Fatto” 11th June 2013). There are also those who think that the words of the Pope would not be extraneous to the news that reached him about the events of Almo Collegio Capranica, denounced on the site “Corrispondenza Romana” in the article “The Drama of Sodomy in the diocese of Rome” which was promptly obscured by the Roman Tribunal. Behind that law-suit was the Rector of the Almo Collegio.

During the news on “La7 on the 25th June (http://tg.la7.it/cronaca/video-i722957) we learned of an inquiry in course by the Roman Magistrates concerning a head-spinning ring of sexual encounters hosted by religious with minors. The denunciation which triggered off the investigation would contain around twenty names, among which is a papal master of ceremonies, a secretary to the Cardinal Vicar, four parish priests in charge of as many parishes to the north and west of Rome and other personalities of a high ecclesiastical level.

The behavior of certain ecclesiastical authorities confronted with scandals of this sort is astounding. When they learn of the existence of an immoral situation in a parish, in a college, in a seminary, they do not proceed to verify the truth, remove the guilty party and eliminate the filth, but manifest annoyance, if not reprobation towards those that have denounced the evil, and, in the best of cases, they limit themselves by taking into consideration that which may interest civil justice, for fear of being involved in judicial matters. They are silent about that which has purely a moral and canonical significance. The slogan could be “ zero tolerance” for the pedophiles, “maximum tolerance “ for homosexuals. The latter continue unperturbedly to occupy their places as parish priests, bishops, rectors of Colleges, forming that “homo-mafia” which Pope Francis defines as the “gay lobby.”

The Pope’s affirmation goes beyond the grave denunciation of the “ filth in the Church” made by Cardinal Ratzinger on Good Friday 2005, on the eve of his election to the Papacy. Also in that case the future Benedict XVI was certainly referring to the moral plague which, under the form of pedophilia, ephebophilia or more simply homosexuality was spreading throughout the Church. But the significance of Francis’ declaration is wider and reaches the one of Paul VI who in his homily of 29th June 1972, stated that “from some crack, the smoke of Satan” had entered “the Temple of God.” What is happening is exactly the consequence of that smoke of Satan which today is covering and suffocating the Church. Will Pope Francis intervene? This is the heartfelt plea of all those who are praying and battling for an authentic doctrinal and moral reform of the Mystical Body of Christ.

[Roberto de Mattei, Corrispondenza Romana, June 27, 2013; translation and source: Contributor Francesca Romana.]


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To: Iscool
That, coupled with the bible makes it pretty unreal...

Only if you ignore John 6 and 1 Corinthians 11, for starters. Your oft demonstrated modus operandi is to ignore most of Scripture.

41 posted on 06/27/2013 4:49:30 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
No use trying to pretend its just anti-Catholic propaganda.

Not unless some try to pretend that this aberration is typical of the Catholic priesthood or is representative of Catholicism. As a Catholic I am sadly well aware that these perverts have infected the Catholic priesthood as they have many other institutions in society. Much of the problems that have arisen in the Catholic Church over the last 40 years can be traced to their presence and their attempts to change the faith. I, for one, would like to see this brought to the light of day so that they can be excised from the Church.

42 posted on 06/27/2013 4:53:09 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Marcella
I’m a Catholic and think priests should be allowed to marry women.

Despite the teaching of Christ and St. Paul?

By the way, 21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church, ordain, as a norm, married men. However, none of those Churches allows a Priest to marry after ordination. Just like the Greek Orthodox Church.

43 posted on 06/27/2013 4:53:12 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: A.A. Cunningham; Iscool
Only if you ignore John 6 and 1 Corinthians 11, for starters. Your oft demonstrated modus operandi is to ignore most of Scripture.

As opposed to Catholics and the Catholic church which ignores 1 Corinthians 5?

Every time I post it the silence from the Catholics is deafening.

44 posted on 06/27/2013 4:54:27 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

It will be interesting to see how that whole situation plays out. Will they expel or embrace?


45 posted on 06/27/2013 4:57:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: All

You know what? This is absolutely upsetting and horrifying for many of us Catholics here. It would be nice if the Protestants here would take the high road ...just for once... out of respect for what many of us feel right now.


46 posted on 06/27/2013 5:04:18 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
You know what? This is absolutely upsetting and horrifying for many of us Catholics here. It would be nice if the Protestants here would take the high road ...just for once... out of respect for what many of us feel right now.

Feelings? Get over it.

I'm going to presume that most Catholic posters here are adults. There's no reason to treat you like children whose feelings are hurt. Man up. It's time you guys faced the reality of what's going on in your church.

Truth hurts sometimes.

47 posted on 06/27/2013 5:19:56 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Amen. Sunshine and disinfectant and strong brushes and high pressure hoses.


48 posted on 06/27/2013 5:24:39 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: metmom

This is not the time for Bible back and forth and proving who has the truth and who does not.

And don’t give me the “Truth hurt sometimes”. I’m one of the few folks who have been taking our hierarchy to task lately...and you know it.

This isn’t about treating others like children. It’s about treating them with respect. Is that possible?


49 posted on 06/27/2013 5:25:00 PM PDT by piusv
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To: piusv
It's all right. We've been around for thousands of years. We will survive this.

[16] Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. [20] Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.

50 posted on 06/27/2013 5:26:13 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: metmom

We live and suffer with what has occurred along with hundreds of millions of Catholics.

Being an adult also means having the maturity and insight not to grind filth into another’s face and pretend it is for one’s own good.

The chortling comes through loud and clear to everyone. So does smug self-righteousness.

Sometimes the truth hurts.


51 posted on 06/27/2013 5:31:04 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR

Exactly. Thank you.


52 posted on 06/27/2013 5:33:31 PM PDT by piusv
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To: metmom
As opposed to Catholics and the Catholic church which ignores 1 Corinthians 5?

Quite the contrary.

Every time I post it the silence from the Catholics is deafening.

It wasn't deafening on

June 17, 2013

or

June 16, 2013

You might want to amend your comment and review the 8th Commandment while you're at it. However, you and I both know that you think you're above that as a cull of your posts proves.

53 posted on 06/27/2013 5:36:21 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Electorate data confirms Resolute Conservative voted for Soetoro)
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To: trisham

Benedict made a number of predictions that were veiled and are now understood. We will become smaller, purer, more endangered and as supernatural as has always been from the beginning.

The left satan KGB and a host of wreckers have gotten their time. Now comes Calvary, the cross as promised and the resurrection. Maybe not in our time will we see this, but in time.


54 posted on 06/27/2013 5:36:39 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: piusv
Indeed these scandals put a sincere Catholic in a difficult position. He can't know just how deep and extensive the rot goes but surely he can't be on the Titanic. If so baling water and tossing cargo overboard won't help,

Or perhaps he is in the same position as ordinary Jews were when Jesus said the kingdom was being taken away from that ancient nation and being given to a nation producing the fruits of the kingdom.

55 posted on 06/27/2013 5:40:18 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Alex Murphy

Of course, there are always the hyper partisans who just reflexively attack anything with little thought. There are some on this forum who have, in the past, absolutely refused to admit there is any “gay problem” in the Catholic clergy. Maybe now that the Pope himself has acknowledged the issue, they will have to admit it. I think that’s about the only think capable of swaying some folks’ opinion.


56 posted on 06/27/2013 5:41:18 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: piusv

Thank-you and God Bless.


57 posted on 06/27/2013 5:41:35 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: piusv
This is absolutely upsetting and horrifying for many of us Catholics here. It would be nice if the Protestants here would take the high road ...just for once... out of respect for what many of us feel right now.

May I ask what you consider to be "the high road"?

58 posted on 06/27/2013 6:41:56 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
There is talk of a “gay lobby” , and it is true, it exists. We have to see what we can do about it.”

Well there is a bold statement if I ever heard one ............sarcasm

Is this going to be like the abortion issue where 40 years on they are still talking about eventually getting around to denying communion to pro-abort politicians?

59 posted on 06/27/2013 6:45:34 PM PDT by ClaytonP
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To: ClaytonP

No, I think this Pope is actually going to take on the gay lobby at the Vatican.

Prediction?

The entire Curia is replaced en masse, soon.

What will happen outside Rome is anybody’s guess.


60 posted on 06/27/2013 6:48:29 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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