Skip to comments.Pope Francis and the drama of sodomy in the Church and in the Diocese of Rome
Posted on 06/27/2013 2:27:40 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
I agree. Prune the dead limbs off the bush. The bush will come back stronger and healthier than ever - given time.
Oh, I'm sure some Catholics will call it that anyway.
When they learn of the existence of an immoral situation in a parish, in a college, in a seminary, they do not proceed to verify the truth, remove the guilty party and eliminate the filth, but manifest annoyance,
Pope Benedict worked to solve this problem, first as a Cardinal and then as Pope. Pope Francis must expel these people from the church.
Oh, I'm sure some Catholics will call it that [anti-Catholic propaganda] anyway.Alex, I don't think so. This tragic news, however, doesn't make the Eucharist any less Real.
It can't be hard to know who is who.
Do the deed, already.
I hate talkers. This is a known problem. They know who the problem people are. Expel them. Stop talking. Do it.
You are a detective?
I agree 100%.
It is standard operating procedure for the homosexual conspirators to “lie and deny”. They claim to be victims. They speak of the need for tolerance.
Expel them from the church before they do more damage.
Michael Voris is reporting from Rome today that the recruiter for the boy prostitution ring has also stolen Sacred Hosts and sold them to satanists.
Yep-—the Catholic Church has got to proclaim the Truth-—pick up the sword and fight Satan/Evil again. There is no compromise with Truth and Evil.
They need to eject all the homosexual Marxists that infiltrated the Church in the 30’s and 40’s who intimidated and bribed the Good-—to restore the Glory of the Church. We need to repair all the Vatican II damage-—all the heresies/errors that entered all the Universities and schools and Churches which ejected Masculinity from the Church.
Get back to curricula prior to 1940’s when the Truth wasn’t being compromised. Bella Dodd, a Communist converted to Catholicism by Abp. Fulton Sheen, gave testimony to the infiltration of the Communists into the Catholic Church—and the Teacher’s Unions, etc. She is an interesting read and was murdered.
Mostly “ex-Catholics” will say that.
Nobody had any doubt that there was a serious gay mafia at the Vatican and virtually in any other place (chanceries, religious orders, etc.) you cared to mention. It was something the Church has had to fight against constantly, because whenever you have a somewhat closed bureaucratic environment where people can get into “amiguismo” (that is, friends appointing friends), you are opening the door to corruption. Sometimes it’s sexual, sometimes it’s financial, sometimes it’s just the losers promoting the losers (thinking of a lot of US bishops - who aren’t gay and aren’t necessarily evil, but are just dumb and lazy...).
But after Vatican II, with the destruction of the power of the bishops and the attempted destruction of the Faith, it became the norm and decent guys who went to seminary had to pick a seminary based on how few gays it had...but they were everywhere. Many good men were driven away.
BXVI obviously realized he didn’t have the strength to fight this, although obviously he had identified it (the report was originally given to him just before he resigned and then he shared it with Francis in a joint meeting).
Pope Francis is like the crazy uncle who says unexpected things at the dinner party, and I think he is exactly the one to break this up.
“Many good men were driven away.” Good men are never driven away. Never.
Well, they were sure driven away from Catholic seminaries. I know some.
Dittos. Unfortunately its still happening in some places.
I’m not Catholic, but a group has to have standards. I respect the Catholic Church for the fact that it does have standards.
But it reduces my respect for Catholicism that it can’t address the huge problem they have had in front of them for decades.
Either become the Gay Church, or fire the homosexuals already.
I don’t mind homosexuals in my workplace. That’s fine. We’re not organized for the purpose of teaching and demonstrating morality. But the Church is. If you can’t adhere to core principles, fold up the tent and go away.
“This tragic news, however, doesn’t make the Eucharist any less Real.”
That, coupled with the bible makes it pretty unreal...
I’m a Catholic and think priests should be allowed to marry women. Homosexual priests should not be allowed to marry as that is against Bible teachings.
No, the exact opposite. The Bible clearly indicates it is Christ’s body.
I’m a Catholic, and for several years I attended a Ukrainian Greek Catholic parish where our pastor was married and a father and a grandfather.
But relaxing the discipline on the celibate priesthood in the Latin Rite Church will do nothing whatsoever to address the fact that the Latin Rite admitted homosexuals into the priesthood, and those homosexuals did what homosexuals want to do, i.e., chicken-hawking.
The two issues simply are not related. We can expel gay priests from the priesthood, and keep them from becoming priests, any time the Church has the guts and the backbone to do what’s right.
We don’t need to do anything about the celibate priest status quo to fix this problem whatsoever. We just need to be Catholic again, and return to our former discipline of weeding out any and all homosexuals from the priesthood.
The homo-heresy, namely, the theology of homosexuality, denounced by Father Dario Oko (With the Pope against Homoheresy), goes hand in hand with the theology of married priests.
Really?? Equating the overthrow of traditional sexual morality with the normal practice of the Church outside the Patriarchate of Rome from Apostolic times down to the present? If married priests are equated with normalizing buggery by anyone with actual authority in the Latin church, I suppose we Orthodox could expect the Uniates to return en masse.
Episcopalian priests are allowed to marry...and the Episcopal church is stuffed to the brim with homosexuals and always has been. And now the Episcopalian gay clergy can “marry” each other, which they have already been doing in the US and in the Anglican churches in the UK.
Pope Francis is like the crazy uncle who says unexpected things at the dinner party, and I think he is exactly the one to break this up.-lol- Phrased well, to be sure... My husband mentioned yesterday (in the same vein) that Pope Francis is a bit of a "loose cannon," so maybe it IS time for him to let a few rip...
Vatican II, had to do with the encouragement of the 1960’s. It was just the open acknowledgement, of Rome’s prior real direction of faith. There is no faking the obvious history of staggering papal abuse of the Faithful, by political corruption at the highest points of contact/contract. There is a good reason, you know some who were driven, to not attend.
No. I missed that in the original post, thanks for pointing it out.
The author of that piece is a trad Catholic and has made an error of either phrasing or judgment.
In the Latin Church at present, the vast majority of those militating for a married priesthood tend to be heterodox and liberal (and therefore soft on homosexuality) while those defending the celibate priesthood tend to be conservative/orthodox or traditional.
Therefore Trads tend to lump anyone who supports a married priesthood together with those who are soft on homosexuality.
This is an internal debate. This has nothing whatsoever to do with the Eastern Orthodox and their reasons for a married priesthood.
You bring up an interesting point that I had never considered. Are you saying that the abuse problem was for the most part contained within the Latin Rite churches?
Since you are not a Catholic, you may not know that many men wanted to enter the seminary, but chose not to do so because of the homosexual corruption therein.
Pope Benedict XVI sent a crew around to all the seminaries to clean them up. If you want the FR link history — I’ll be glad to send it to you.
Are you a member of an Eastern church? Then a man may marry, but if he does, he may never be a Bishop.
Okay. Thanks for the information. Salvation, how would/do you know my faith in God?
No, there have been cases among Byzantine Catholics as well as Eastern Orthodox, both of which permit married priests. A married priesthood does not insulate a church from homosexual predators. Mainstream protestant churches have just as big a problem, even though the MSM would have us believe otherwise by their biased reporting of stats and facts. Of course, the abuse rates in any religious denomination is eclipsed by the rates among public school teachers (who last I checked were allowed to marry) but no one is talking about that.
On an interesting side note, I once had a patient who still had her original contract as a teacher from the early 1920s. It forbid teachers to date or marry. The contract changed in 1923 or so. How times have changed.
Ephebophilia...repeat over and over
Homosexual men abusing adolescent boys. You got it right. MSM will not say this to protect the gay lobby.
Actually, I wasn't thinking of the married vs celibate priesthood issue. Rather, I had thought you were saying that sexual abuse was a Latin Rite issue. Thinking there might be something there, I thus wondered whether there was some larger cultural, historical, or theological distinctive within the Latin Rite (e.g. a preference for Italian popes) that rendered them more susceptible to abuse within their ranks.
If the numbers are the same across the Rites, then my reading of your post and ensuing assumptions were false.
I know several young men from my own parish...note: several, that left the seminary...they were at Mount St. Mary’s...because of the “shower games” on the third floor.
Thanks for that tacit admission.
I recall posting on a thread that homosexuality is rampant in EO seminaries by the admission of a former seminarian who’s a close friend of my sister and was basically called the *l* word for it.
However, I doubt there will be any retraction for that, and it does verify the report.
I’ve always been brutally honest about this subject in all my posts on this forum. No one wants this curse to end more than those of us who are uncompromising and unapologetic Catholics, and it serves no purpose to try to hide or downplay the reality of this situation.
In my diocese the only thing that got rid of the homosexual abusive priests was media exposure of the problem. And I made damn sure the local media got on the story, and got their facts straight.
“Are you a member of an Eastern church?”
No, I’m a Texas Catholic with several firearms, guess that makes me a “soldier of the cross”. I’ve been a student of the Bible since I was a young child. Man made church rules that differ from the Bible, don’t mean much to me. I’m really a member of Christ’s heavenly church, not so much an earthly church.
Which has not gone unnoticed. You are one of the few who makes no appearance of defending or excusing it.
Were there more like you, these discussions would certainly take a different tone.
While we don't agree on theology, I have the highest respect for anyone who has the backbone to take an unswerving stand for what they believe.
Hats off to you.
Only if you ignore John 6 and 1 Corinthians 11, for starters. Your oft demonstrated modus operandi is to ignore most of Scripture.
Not unless some try to pretend that this aberration is typical of the Catholic priesthood or is representative of Catholicism. As a Catholic I am sadly well aware that these perverts have infected the Catholic priesthood as they have many other institutions in society. Much of the problems that have arisen in the Catholic Church over the last 40 years can be traced to their presence and their attempts to change the faith. I, for one, would like to see this brought to the light of day so that they can be excised from the Church.
Despite the teaching of Christ and St. Paul?
By the way, 21 of the 22 Churches sui juris which comprise the Catholic Church, ordain, as a norm, married men. However, none of those Churches allows a Priest to marry after ordination. Just like the Greek Orthodox Church.
As opposed to Catholics and the Catholic church which ignores 1 Corinthians 5?
Every time I post it the silence from the Catholics is deafening.
It will be interesting to see how that whole situation plays out. Will they expel or embrace?
You know what? This is absolutely upsetting and horrifying for many of us Catholics here. It would be nice if the Protestants here would take the high road ...just for once... out of respect for what many of us feel right now.
Feelings? Get over it.
I'm going to presume that most Catholic posters here are adults. There's no reason to treat you like children whose feelings are hurt. Man up. It's time you guys faced the reality of what's going on in your church.
Truth hurts sometimes.
Amen. Sunshine and disinfectant and strong brushes and high pressure hoses.
This is not the time for Bible back and forth and proving who has the truth and who does not.
And don’t give me the “Truth hurt sometimes”. I’m one of the few folks who have been taking our hierarchy to task lately...and you know it.
This isn’t about treating others like children. It’s about treating them with respect. Is that possible?
 Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God.  And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven.  And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.  And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.  Then he commanded his disciples, that they should tell no one that he was Jesus the Christ.