Posted on 06/29/2013 12:30:27 PM PDT by NYer
2. "Thou shalt do no murder; thou shalt not commit adultery"; thou shalt not commit sodomy; thou shalt not commit fornication; thou shalt not steal; thou shalt not use magic; thou shalt not use philtres; thou shalt not procure abortion, nor commit infanticide; "thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods";
The Didache - The Lord's teaching to the heathen by the Twelve Apostles.
Wonderful article. Thanks.
‘First, Jesus was a Jew who inherited Jewish Scripture and tradition. Jesus did not drop out of the sky to bring a brand new set of moral teachings de novo. If he did, perhaps his apparent lack of attention to sex and sexuality would be striking. But the Jesus of the Gospels—especially Matthew, the First Gospel in so many significant ways—is a conservative Jew, as was in all likelihood the so-called historical Jesus behind the Gospels. And whether we’re talking about the historical Jesus or the Jesus of the Gospels, Jesus stands well within the breadth of Jewish tradition. Thus, it’s not true that things Jesus doesn’t spend an inordinate amount of time on or doesn’t mention are unimportant. Rather, we should assume that those things in Jewish tradition which Jesus doesn’t overturn or reinterpret are assumed. Sure, Jesus doesn’t outright forbid homosexual practices in the Gospels. But he doesn’t have to, because Jesus’ Judaism did.’
Bingo. The burden of proof is on the other side: where did Jesus or any other 1st century Palestinian Jew for that matter advocate homosexual activity?
Jesus did say:”For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,”
Mark 7:21
The Greek word translated as fornications is porneia which was defined as following:
1) illicit sexual intercourse
a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
2) metaph. the worship of idols
a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
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Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.- Matthew 5:17
Sorry, homosexuality is still an abomination...because God said so.
“Therein lies the hypocrisy......recognizing that the historical Jesus isn’t the Jesus taught by Paul (as is recognized by the above article) means that the left, the gays, the atheists can never see past the fact that christianity treats the bible like a buffet taking the dessert and leaving the meal.
“Thanks to Paul”....”Paul said”.....”because of Paul”.....
When it’s suitable Jesus and his Kingdom message is brought up but ultimately Jesus’ teachings ALWAYS take a backseat to Paul.
The so-called “religious right” will always lose the religious argument to the left, gays, atheists because so much of Paul’s teaching fundamentally changes everything that Jesus taught.
You can’t say “Jesus was this way” his teachings were strictly “this way” and we pick that one thing to keep but because Paul says something different on all the rest we can also forgo EVERYTHING else that Jesus taught and stood for.
You’ll lose the argument every time to the other side because it’s hypocritical.”
You have to remember that Paul after his conversion did the work of setting up church communities in the then known world. Also you have to assume that Paul did listen to the Lord for inspiration in putting together his letters.
The problem with those who do not believe is that they want to try to prove themselves right, which they are not.
Rather the Gospels of Jesus fufills the Hebrew scriptures.
It’s wrong! That’s all! It’s wrong!
Really? I think when it comes to the argument on religious grounds, we practically always win. Part of the reason those cruddy liberal heretic ‘churches’ are dying out. Universalist Unitarians? lol.
We might lose the argument on political grounds because this is the age of hedonism. When it comes to Christianity itself however, the ‘liberal interpretation’ is no more legitimate than the KKK interpretation. It is like the left’s version of the constitution, with a load of crap that isn’t there.
Homosexuality is an ABOMINATION. This is how it is described.
Let us compare homosexuality and adultery in the lens of Old and New Testament. In the OT, both were punishable by death. The ancient state of Israel was given these criminal penalties to be given to perpetrators. These laws were nullified with the coming of the New Covenant, yet we still apprehend that these things are MORALLY WRONG.
If you seriously think that Christ has undone the word of God and made sodomy acceptable, then you must also find adultery to be acceptable. Neither are nor will they ever be. This is why liberal arguments within the religion itself are intellectually bankrupt.
If you wish to disregard Paul, then why not throw all the disciples under the bus with him?
“If you seriously think that Christ has undone the word of God and made sodomy acceptable, then you must also find adultery to be acceptable.”
And... if God has undone the Word of God and made sodomy acceptable, then bestiality and incest are now OK, too. They’re prohibited along with homosexuality.
The Lord Jesus Christ did not come to do away with the law, but to fulfill the law. In like manner, Christ did not come to do away with the word of God (the OT scriptures) but to embody it—all of it (”and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.”)
To take Christ’s [apparent] “silence” on homosexuality as a sanction for it is such a stretch as to be laughable. In His historic context, just how much open homosexuality in Judea does one suppose the Lord encountered that would necessitate his speaking to it? But if He did encounter open homosexuality are we to really believe that He would have spoken any differently to “the one caught in the very act” than how He spoke with the adulterous woman in John 8?
Anything...ANYTHING understood about God’s view of sin prior to Christ’s appearing was unchanged by His appearing. It is God’s provision for the sinner that was [about to be] changed.
Amen!
That is not so. Would you provide an example of how Jesus taught one thing and St. Paul taught different?
Why don’t you read the Gospels? Paul did, because he quotes from them.
What are the defining characteristics of homosexuality?
Was homosexuality an abomination in God's eyes? Of course it was - scripture tells us it was. Was it the same in Jesus' eyes - of course it was, He lived in the Old Covenant. Is it an abomination in Their eyes today? I would say it depends upon whether or not the person has been saved - per the Old Covenant, when God heralded the coming New Covenant, He told us that he would forgive us our wickedness and recognize our sins no more.
That's why I believe that when Jesus uttered the words, "Resist not evil", He was saying that we could not conquer Satan - that was His job. Our job is to be as the apostles/disciples and carry the Good News. Being humans, we cannot totally keep our eyes to the task because we keep getting hung up in that which is no longer ours to get hung up in. God Bless
I’d like to, except he never said anything about it.”
He also did not say anything about animals on that subject either for the same reason.
People who were born into God teaching homes may think that other people need to be taught against this sin against nature.
It is evident that it is the other way around, some of the things that call themselves Churches are teaching this thing against nature.
Jesus said not to give anything good to the dogs or cast your pearls before the swine.
Preaching the Gospel to the sodomites would be the same thing, it is proof in its self today that it is just being trampled on.
Also Jesus did not say anything on the subject because he did not come to be the ruler of this world but to bring in the kingdom of God.
Where is the kingdom of God? Jesus said it is within you.
Jesus came to preach to the sinners which are Gods people, he did not come to bring the good news of the kingdom to Satan, Satans people are lost.
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