Jesus, Marriage, and Homosexuality

Catholic World Report ^ | June 29, 2013 | Leroy Huizenga

[Mrs. Don-o]

Taught by Jesus? Taught by Paul?

A distinction without a difference, because Paul was taught by Jesus.

The Scripture is very clear on this.

[ReformationFan]

Exactly. That’s why these “Jesus versus Paul” arguments that that the left likes to try make no sense. As Jesus himself said about Paul in Acts 9:15-

‘But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.’

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%209:15&version=NIV

[brent13a]

Nowhere in God’s Commands or prophecies am I commanded to filter God’s Commands or prophecies through the lens of Paul or the lens of the pauline epistles.
Neither am I commanded by Jesus Words to filter Jesus’ teachings through the lens of Paul or the lens of the pauline epistles.
Filtering God’s Commands and Jesus’ teachings through the lens of Paul corrupts and alters God’s Commands and Jesus’ teachings.

The christian construct and ideal of their cosmic and universal “Jesus Christ” is as paradigmatically different from the historical Galilean Jew as Obama is paradigmatically different from George Washington.

Two thirds of christianity places Paul’s teachings equal to Jesus teachings and the other third of christianity places Paul’s teachings above Jesus’ teachings. All of christianity places Paul’s teachings above God’s Word.
It was men who placed Paul’s teachings next to and equal to the teachings of Jesus.

When christianity realizes those things, then it will have a foothold, a basis for a winning argument against Atheists everywhere. Until then, the fractured ignorance of the “universal” religion will continue withering away.

[brent13a]

Nowhere in God’s Commands or prophecies am I commanded to filter God’s Commands or prophecies through the lens of Paul or the lens of the pauline epistles. Neither am I commanded by Jesus Words to filter Jesus’ teachings through the lens of Paul or the lens of the pauline epistles.
Filtering God’s Commands and Jesus’ teachings through the lens of Paul corrupts and alters God’s Commands and Jesus’ teachings.

The christian construct and ideal of their cosmic and universal “Jesus Christ” is as paradigmatically different from the historical Galilean Jew as Obama is paradigmatically different from George Washington.

Two thirds of christianity places Paul’s teachings equal to Jesus teachings and the other third of christianity places Paul’s teachings above Jesus’ teachings. All of christianity places Paul’s teachings above God’s Word.
It was men who placed Paul’s teachings next to and equal to the teachings of Jesus.

When christianity realizes those things, then it will have a foothold, a basis for a winning argument against Atheists everywhere. Until then, the fractured ignorance of the “universal” religion will continue withering away.

I’m going to go ahead an brag that I read God’s Words and Jesus’ teachings through the lens & filter of God’s Words.....just like Jesus tells me to do in his teachings.
Doing so leaves nothing unanswerable, there is no “mystery”, there is no fractured logic, and there certainly isn’t any hint of hypocrisy.
Just like it’s not required by God, I certainly don’t need any other “lens” or “filter” in which to understand Jesus’ teachings or God’s Word.

[Mrs. Don-o]

Am I understanding you correctly, that you do not accept that the New Testament has any contents other than the Four Gospels? You do not accept the 23 other books (Acts, Epistles, and Revelation) as sacred Scripture? or there are 27 books of the New Testament, all of them inspired by the Holy Spirit.

Do you belong to some church, denomination or fellowship that teaches this? Or are you the only one?

Just curious. I had never run into a Christian before who excluded all the Epistles.

[Viennacon]

I don’t see how Paul’s view on homosexuality as a sin is in conflict with God at all. In fact, the two match up very well!

God groups homosexuality with other things He calls ‘abominations’. He sentences those who commit this act to death. This was a moral law. Homosexuality had nothing to do with sacrificial law, and it was distinct from things such as Kosher and circumcision. God prescribed the death penalty for homosexual acts because it was considered a perversion of God’s design, the misuse of the body (the temple of the Lord). It was morally wrong.

Paul re-affirms this when he tells us that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Regardless of whether you believe Paul’s validity or not, you cannot say he is being inconsistent with the word of God.

1 - God declared homosexuality a morally egregious act, by prescribing the death penalty for it in ancient Israel

2 - Paul declared that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God

3 - Both are in agreement that homosexuality is wrong in God’s eyes

Jesus did not come to abolish God’s word. Moral good and evil are unchanging. Jesus has simply provided us the sacrifice for our sins. Our sins have not ceased to be sins.

Are you arguing that homosexuality is okay in God’s eyes?

[Viennacon]

You’re already viewing these teachings through a lens, as they are revealed to you through an account written by several different people. I assume you have not received a vision of Jesus, so you already are seeing things through a lens. I, like you, assume the lens is clear because it is all we can do. We take the word of those who were with Jesus Christ on good faith, because (at least in my opinion) someone who had been a devout follower of the Risen Son would have no reason to pervert his word.

[Viennacon]

I’ve never met one either. I find this view very strange.

[Coleus]

you forgot “Honor thy Father and thy Mother”.. If God wanted gay marriage the commandment would have read differently. Honor thy Mother and thy Mother or Honor thy Father and thy Father or Honor thy donated egg and thy father, etc.