Posted on 08/11/2013 4:33:18 PM PDT by RaceBannon
Pope Francis on Sunday urged Christians and Muslims to promote mutual respect , especially through the education of new generations. His remarks came at the end of his Angelus address when he sent greetings to Muslims throughout the world who have just celebrated the end of the fasting month of Ramadan.
Text from page http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2013/08/11/pope_francis_greets_muslims_and_urges_both_christians_and_muslims_to/en1-718872 of the Vatican Radio website
What do you mean?
He did make journeys for the Lord to a number of Christian communities.
God is sure, he knows, but revelation spells it out pretty clear to me, and given the non biblical nature of the RC church, it’s easy to see. Of course some Catholics aren’t really catholics. They don’t follow the traditions etc of men.
Any new world religion will simply be anti-Christian, regardless of church community which will also include the RC Church since it gave to the world the Bible as we know of now, which included the NT.
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Don’t be silly. Go try practicing your religion as a tiny minority who view you as an infidel. Why do you think Christians are fleeing the Holy Land? It not that they are unwilling to stand up and fight, its that they are outnumbered and killed. You have seen and read about the Christians and Catholics in Iraq and Egypt. You know of the riots against Catholics and other Christians after Pope Benedict’s address in the famous University of Rensburg in Germany. Surely, you don’t live under a rock.
From the article:
The Pope says Jesus’s thoughts include a distancing from earthly goods, faith in the providence of the Father and his interior vigilance while awaiting the Kingdom of God. This gospel account, he continues, teaches us that a Christian is someone who carries within him a deep desire to meet the Lord together with his brethren and his companions along the way. All this can be summed up in Jesus’ words: “for wherever your treasure is, that is where your heart will be too.”
That pretty much confirms it for me...What Christian doesn't know anything about the Kingdom of God???
That statement is a religious lie...Believing there is a God has no more advantage to someone than of someone else who believes there is no God...
In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.”
That's a scary thought...We Christians know the 'end' of the muzlim world...And it ends in outer darkness...
Mat_8:12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat_13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
And Nostra Aetate, section 3 (1965): “The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.”
Right...And when get to that Judgement and see Jesus sitting on the Throne, then what??? Are they going to say, 'Who's this guy??? Where's God???
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Gal 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
Gal 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
Muzlims may be the brothers of Catholics but muzlims are not, will not be, and can not be the brothers of Christians...
You posted a statement, to wit;
""This is a foolish comment. The Pope’s comment has nothing to do with Islam and everything to do with Catholics and other Christians living in terror within Muslim communities. "
To which I countered with:
"Yours is a more foolish comment.
If I'm living in a muslim community and and I'm scared to death, are you suggesting , when they threaten my life, my family or beat my boy up on the way to school, I should have respect for them?
What are you smoking ?"
My retort was a response to your remark and I illustrated my position by posing a hypothetical that ... if I were to follow the pope's advice, I should respect they that do me harm
THEN you come back with;
"Don’t be silly. Go try practicing your religion as a tiny minority who view you as an infidel. Why do you think Christians are fleeing the Holy Land? It not that they are unwilling to stand up and fight, its that they are outnumbered and killed. You have seen and read about the Christians and Catholics in Iraq and Egypt. You know of the riots against Catholics and other Christians after Pope Benedict’s address in the famous University of Rensburg in Germany. Surely, you don’t live under a rock."
Which begs the quesrion;
Who'e the pope TALKING to ?
If he's not talking to those muzzies or the ones being persecuted,... who is he directing his remark TO?
(PS .. as an aside argument inducer ... what are other Christians?
Either we all are ... or some ain't")
Thanks for your detailed reply.
What I DO see is hundreds .. thousands .. whipped into a frenzy by their own madness .. each infecting the other.
We can't stop 4 black kids that just might have had some granma', baptist church time somewhere in the background from whoopin' on a white kid "for st trayvon" ...
THAT'S why we'll NEVER be able to negotiate a truce or peace.
The sad, sorry fact is .. it IS war .. and one must die.
I choose life.
My original question was, more or less, if I would be a good parent to my kids if I were to feed a muslim in need today when I knew very well that his kids may endanger my children in the future.
This is not some fantasy question when you volunteer in a social ministry where this situation actually exists.
Except that is not Scripturally true. We are all creations of Almighty God but that doesn't confer sonship or make us His children. We become His children when we are born again through faith in Jesus Christ, our ONLY Savior and God. God does not and will not send His children to hell - EVER - we are NOT condemned if we believed on Christ, but unbelievers will be condemned because they believed not in the only begotten Son of God.
Being a "good" parent - at least a good CHRISTIAN parent - is to teach your children the way of the Lord and we have already read in a few places how we are to behave towards those who are our "enemies". I commend you for volunteering in a social ministry that reaches out to all people in need. Perhaps your doing this, and teaching your children to do this, will PREVENT "his kids" from endangering your kids in the future. When the Lord proclaims over and over again that "vengeance" is His, we should believe Him and trust that He WILL repay - we don't have to worry about that part. I have seen this brought to fruition numerous times in my life as well in the lives of others. Something just happens in peoples' hearts when others they thought were their enemies surprise them and do good to them when they are in need. It is a principle of the kind of love Jesus preached all the time. So, either we trust Him and do as He commanded or we decide to do it "our" way and reap the consequences. I tend to think God knows what He's talking about.
If Jesus could preach this totally foreign concept to people who knew nothing BUT war and persecution and rebellion and conflict, how much more should we be able to adapt ourselves to His way in times of relative peace? Don't get me wrong, I am NOT advocating a national policy of pacifism in the face of the growing Islamist threat to our entire way of life, just what we, as individuals, one-on-one, are required to do as children of the Most High God. We MUST obey God rather than man.
Who knows how hearts and minds can really be changed if more Christians demonstrated the compassion and love of Christ even in the midst of persecution and hatred? Islamists know nothing BUT fighting and war, they will always answer fire with fire and no one has to date been able to pacify them. They WANT to rid their lands of everyone who doesn't bend the knee to Allah and Mohammad. They teach their children the same lifestyle, though, we know that not all Muslims are fanatic Islamists. Maybe the key to real peace will be to show the stark contrast of the hate-filled way of life of Mohammad's children to that love and peaceful way of Christ's. Which way is more appealing to genuine, normal people?
When did St. Francis say, "Preach the Gospel at all times. Use words if necessary"?
This is a great quote, very Franciscan in its spirit, but not literally from St. Francis. The thought is his; this catchy phrasing is not in his writings or in the earliest biographies about him.
In Chapter XVII of his Rule of 1221, Francis told the friars not to preach unless they had received the proper permission to do so. Then he added, "Let all the brothers, however, preach by their deeds."
A few years ago, someone used the Internet to contact some of the most eminent Franciscan scholars in the world, seeking the source of this "Use words if necessary" quote. It is clearly not in any of Francis’ writings. After a couple weeks of searching, no scholar could find this quote in a story written within 200 years of Francis’ death. Friar Jack’s Catechism Quiz: September 23, 2002 http://www.appleseeds.org/St-Fran_Preach-Gospel.htm
You keep missing the objective of the Pope’s comment which seeks tolerance so that Catholics and Christians of other denominations will find a non-hostile environment to practice their faith. These innocent and defenseless Christians cannot and will not kill innocent men, women, and children, which is the way the Muslims fight and kill at weddings, funerals, and during religious worship.
The Pope while not exactly turning the other cheek, is doing his best to make sure that even the first slap does not take place. No one suggests that we should have “respect” for barbarity. But even if we (you and I) cannot, we must acknowledge that the holy men and women of God do respect the humanity of even the non-believer. Weren’t we asked to bless those who persecute us and didn’t Christ pray for his own executioners?
So before you go off the deep end and start talking about screws being loose in our heads, it may help to tighten those in your own torso.
This “born again” stuff is fine with Protestants but as Catholics we don’t subscribe to this. We have the Mass and the Holy Eucharist. We view atheists, Buddhists, Protestants, as all in need of conversion to the One, True, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic faith. As Hillaire Belloc has so brilliantly explained and written in his book “Heresies,” all the rest are heretical beliefs, some more so than others. This occurred even in the early stages of Christianity. But the curse of the Reformation (35,000 Christian sects) and the heresies of Henry VIII continues to this day.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
It doesn't bother me at all that you guys don't believe God...What does bother me as a born again Christian is that you guys steal our name...
Jesus says, 'you MUST be born again'...You say no...And then you call yourselves Christians...
When I was a wee lad, Catholics were more honest and would quickly correct you if you called them a Christian...They would tell you in no uncertain terms that they were NOT Christians, they are Catholics...Wish you'd give our name back...
As Hillaire Belloc has so brilliantly explained and written in his book “Heresies,” all the rest are heretical beliefs, some more so than others. This occurred even in the early stages of Christianity. But the curse of the Reformation (35,000 Christian sects) and the heresies of Henry VIII continues to this day.
35,000 eh??? I'd guess that there about a dozen, or less...I'll tell you how you can really tell how many Protestant denominations there are...
Every time you come across a Protestant, ask him/her what he/she is counting on to get to heaven...Each different answer will tell how many different denominations there are...
This is the sad aspect of being non-Catholic. Everyone and their grandmother down to your local corner street FourSquare Church pastor and Rev. Wright and Rev. Sharpton each supply us with their “own” understanding of sacred scripture rather than follow the teachings of the Church established by Christ with Peter being given the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven and the Great Commission given to Peter and his disciples to go forth and teach...... That means ONE teaching and ONE truth for two millennia in an unbroken tradition of scriptural interpretation, tradition, revelation, worship and veneration, and counting until the end of times where the gates of hell shall not prevail against her. No need for born again. The “born again” are those baptized in the Catholic Church and who keep the Sacraments. No wonder leading Protestant theologians, pastors, and Bishops have converted to Catholicism including a former Chief Rabbi.
The sad aspect of being Catholic, for some of y'all, is this mythical idea of what your church is and has been over the centuries. You imagine that ONLY your church has the inside track on the truth of Jesus Christ and that only your church can provide souls the way to salvation and eternal life. Yet, we KNOW from Holy Scripture that it is Jesus Christ who is the way, the truth and the life and NO ONE comes to the Father but by him. He certainly never said the way was through a church neither did any of the Apostles and you'll not find even one verse in Scripture that says that either.
The truth is that the church of Jesus Christ, his body and bride, is ALL those who have come to him in faith and received the gift of God by grace. Those who are BORN AGAIN - I know you reject that term, but Jesus used it and so did the Apostles, so I will, too - are part of this body, this church - which simply means the called-out ones. We are called-out of this world and into the living hope which is Jesus Christ. We are all living stones that fit together into Jesus' spiritual house. The Roman Catholic Church is not the one, true church because believers are found in many different worship fellowships. Not everyone who is Catholic IS a genuine Christian but neither is every Baptist or Presbyterian or Eastern Orthodox. It is a personal relationship with Christ that makes us INDIVIDUALLY part of his body. We are kept by the same grace that made us born again and we aren't saved by our own merits and works. All the dunking in water, taking the sacraments and doing of all the corporal works of mercy cannot earn what God gives to us as a free gift.
You say there is "no need for born again"? God says you have no part in heaven if you are not born again. We must all come out from under the veil of confusion and doubt and trust in the one who died to make us free. ONLY in Christ is there redemption.
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