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Catholics Worship at Tree Weeping Miraculous Liquid; But Experts Say 'Tears' Are Just Bug Poop
Christian Post ^ | August 13, 2013 | Leonardo Blair

Posted on 08/15/2013 7:53:55 AM PDT by Alex Murphy

A growing number of Catholics have been flocking to the St. John's Cathedral in Fresno, Calif., to worship under a Crape Myrtle tree said to be weeping a miraculous healing liquid from God, but scientists say those "tears" are just a steady stream of bug poop.

Despite what the scientists say, however, the faithful maintain the liquid is a touch from God for believers.

"They can say it's this theory, that theory, the tree does this every year, it's odd when it happens when there is bunch of people praying. When you are asking the Holy Spirit to reveal itself and then it happens all of a sudden and it's still here," said Janine Esquivel-Oji told My Fox Philly.

"When you say 'glory be to God in Jesus' name' the tree starts throwing out more water," explained Maria Ybarra to KGPE-TV.

Ybarra was the first person to experience the miracle of the droplets coming from the tree while she was praying with a sick woman under it. The tree released water unto the sick woman and she said she felt better.

"Then she said 'oh my gosh, I hadn't feel good, and then when the water was hitting me it changed me I feel peace.' I said the Lord be with you. The Lord said peace be with you, peace I give you, " Ybarra told My Fox Philly.

"I said my prayer and asked the Lord to give me a miracle cause I'm really, really sick," Rosemarie Navarro told KGPE.

A number of the faithful flocking to the tree even brought their children along to see the miracle in motion.

"I'm like let's go, you guys can take a look for yourselves and then you can decide. When you get there you can decide if it was a tree that got wet," Jenny Estevez noted to My Fox Philly.

Entomologist Richard Covelo, however, explained that the tears coming from the tree are simply honey dew – "a sweet liquid emitted from the anus of aphids and some other sap sucking bugs" according to an online definition.

"Crape Myrtle trees as a generality can get really high populations of Crape Myrtle aphids and at times it can look so bad that it looks like the tree is raining out of it with all the honey dew dripping down," said Covelo.

Ybarra, however, maintains that the liquid isn't coming for the bugs' anus.

"I know it's coming from God, and ye of little faith will not reach the kingdom of God," she said.


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"When you say 'glory be to God in Jesus' name' the tree starts throwing out more water," explained Maria Ybarra to KGPE-TV. Ybarra was the first person to experience the miracle of the droplets coming from the tree while she was praying with a sick woman under it. The tree released water unto the sick woman and she said she felt better. "Then she said 'oh my gosh, I hadn't feel good, and then when the water was hitting me it changed me I feel peace.' I said the Lord be with you. The Lord said peace be with you, peace I give you, " Ybarra told My Fox Philly....

....Entomologist Richard Covelo...explained that the tears coming from the tree are simply honey dew – "a sweet liquid emitted from the anus of aphids and some other sap sucking bugs" according to an online definition. "Crape Myrtle trees as a generality can get really high populations of Crape Myrtle aphids and at times it can look so bad that it looks like the tree is raining out of it with all the honey dew dripping down," said Covelo. Ybarra, however, maintains that the liquid isn't coming for the bugs' anus. "I know it's coming from God, and ye of little faith will not reach the kingdom of God," she said.

1 posted on 08/15/2013 7:53:55 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy
"I know it's coming from God, and ye of little faith will not reach the kingdom of God," she said.

Ye of little knowledge should not be throwing out damnation convictions.
2 posted on 08/15/2013 7:59:17 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m visiting Fresno next week for my mom’s 100th birthday, and I’ll check this out!


3 posted on 08/15/2013 7:59:52 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Alex Murphy

I’ll add this to my “why my Protestant friends think I belong to a weird creepy cult” file...


4 posted on 08/15/2013 8:16:23 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Alex Murphy

Oy. There’s loonies in every religion.


5 posted on 08/15/2013 8:18:27 AM PDT by alphadoggie
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To: Alex Murphy
Identifying manna[edit source | editbeta]
A tamarisk tree in the Levant desert.
Psilocybe cubensis

Some scholars have proposed that manna is cognate with the Egyptian term mennu, meaning "food".[13] At the turn of the twentieth century, Arabs of the Sinai Peninsula were selling resin from the tamarisk tree as man es-simma, roughly meaning "heavenly manna".[12] Tamarisk trees (particularly Tamarix gallica) were once comparatively extensive throughout the southern Sinai, and their resin is similar to wax, melts in the sun, is sweet and aromatic (like honey), and has a dirty-yellow color, fitting somewhat with the Biblical descriptions of manna.[14][15] However, this resin is mostly composed from sugar, so it would be unlikely to provide sufficient nutrition for a population to survive over long periods of time,[14] and it would be very difficult for it to have been compacted to become cakes.[15]

Black ant with a clear bubble of honeydew produced by a green aphid.
Scale insects covered in waxy secretions.

In the Biblical account, the name manna is said to derive from the question man hu, seemingly meaning "What is it?";[16] this is perhaps an Aramaic etymology, not a Hebrew one.[15] Man is possibly cognate with the Arabic term man, meaning plant lice, with man hu thus meaning "this is plant lice",[15] which fits one widespread modern identification of manna, the crystallized honeydew of certain scale insects.[15][17] In the environment of a desert, such honeydew rapidly dries due to evaporation of its water content, becoming a sticky solid, and later turning whitish, yellowish, or brownish;[15] honeydew of this form is considered a delicacy in the Middle East, and is a good source of carbohydrates.[17] In particular, there is a scale insect that feeds on tamarisk, the Tamarisk manna scale (Trabutina mannipara), which is often considered to be the prime candidate for biblical manna.[18][19]

In the Torah, the word manna(Heb: מָן; Pronunciation: Män) likely derives from the question "Mäh hū?"(מַה-הוּא), which translates to "What is it?"

Another type is Turkey Oak Manna, also called Persian gezengevi- gezo,men, Turkish Kudret helvasi, man-es-simma, also Diarbekir manna, or Kurdish manna. It is formed by aphids and appears white. It was common in western Iran, northern Iraq and eastern Turkey. When dried it forms into crystalline lumps which are hard and look like stone. They are pounded before inclusion in breads.[20]

The other widespread identification is that manna is the thalli of certain lichens (particularly Lecanora esculenta);[14][17] this food source is often used as a substitute for maize in the Eurasian Steppe.[14] This material is light, often drifting in the wind, and has a yellow outer coat with a white inside, somewhat matching the Biblical description of manna; it does need additional drying, but is definitely not similar to honey in taste.[14]

A number of ethnomycologists such as R. Gordon Wasson, John Marco Allegro, and Terence McKenna,[citation needed]have suggested that most characteristics of manna are similar to that of Psilocybe cubensis mushrooms, notorious breeding grounds for insects, which decompose rapidly. These peculiar fungi naturally produce a number of molecules that resemble human neurochemicals, and first appear as small fibres (mycelia) that resemble hoarfrost. Psilocybin, a molecule in the Psilocybe cubensis, has shown to produce spiritual experiences, with "personal meaning and spiritual significance 14 months later".[21] In a Psilocybin study from 2006 one-third of the participants reported that the experience was the single most spiritually significant moment of their lives and more than two-thirds reported it was among the top five most spiritually significant experiences. A side-effect from Psilocybin consumption is the loss of appetite.[22] This speculation (also paralleled in Philip K. Dick's posthumously published The Transmigration of Timothy Archer) is supported in a wider cultural context when compared with the praise of Haoma in the Rigveda, Mexican praise of teonanácatl, the peyote sacrament of the Native American Church, and the Holy Ayahuasca used in the ritual of the União do Vegetal and Santo Daime.[23]

Other minority identifications of manna are that it was a kosher species of locust,[24] or that it was the sap of certain succulent plants (such as those of the genus Alhagi, which have an appetite-suppressing effect).[25]

6 posted on 08/15/2013 8:25:14 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Alex Murphy

Quick build a statue to Mary


7 posted on 08/15/2013 8:29:45 AM PDT by Craftmore
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
In the Biblical account, the name manna is said to derive from the question man hu, seemingly meaning "What is it?"; this is perhaps an Aramaic etymology, not a Hebrew one. Man is possibly cognate with the Arabic term man, meaning plant lice, with man hu thus meaning "this is plant lice", which fits one widespread modern identification of manna, the crystallized honeydew of certain scale insects. In the environment of a desert, such honeydew rapidly dries due to evaporation of its water content, becoming a sticky solid, and later turning whitish, yellowish, or brownish; honeydew of this form is considered a delicacy in the Middle East, and is a good source of carbohydrates. In particular, there is a scale insect that feeds on tamarisk, the Tamarisk manna scale (Trabutina mannipara), which is often considered to be the prime candidate for biblical manna.

For Catholics, "manna" = bug poop? That would actually make a lot of sense.

8 posted on 08/15/2013 8:33:12 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy

No, for WikiPedia “manna” = bug poop.

And none of us knows for certain what manna was then, or this substance is now.

On the other hand, those who hate God will choose to believe manna was bug poop then, and use this episode to mock believers today.


9 posted on 08/15/2013 8:39:06 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Buckeye McFrog
I’ll add this to my “why my Protestant friends think I belong to a weird creepy cult” file.

Protestants have their weird, creepy cult stuff too. Ever hear of so called "holy laughter"?

10 posted on 08/15/2013 8:46:27 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Thanks you for this. Maria has a lot to teach us and verifies what Jesus taught.

Those who see with their hearts, and in whose faith in Spirit abides a belief in wonder, like as a child, they have a better experience when they hear His knock at the door or seek His help.

In the realm of Spirit, it's true what they say: you have to believe it to see it.

12 posted on 08/15/2013 8:58:56 AM PDT by GBA (Our obamanation: Romans 1:18-32)
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Worshiping and covering themselves with bug poop?

Can’t make this stuff up. Lunatics that should be institutionalized.


13 posted on 08/15/2013 9:11:48 AM PDT by bonfire
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To: MEGoody
Hindu Kundalini infestation of Pentecostalism
14 posted on 08/15/2013 9:14:08 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
And none of us knows for certain what manna was then, or this substance is now.

Seriously, go stand under any Crape Myrtle tree in California during the summer and you'll experience the same thing. Makes a mess of my truck.

15 posted on 08/15/2013 9:15:44 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: Bubba Ho-Tep; Alex Murphy; Mrs. Don-o

If it was proven that the Old Testament manna was also something akin to dried Crape Myrtle tree bug poop, would modern Protestants be mocking the Old Testament Jews the way they are mocking these simple faithful Christians now?


16 posted on 08/15/2013 9:20:55 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: MEGoody

About ten years ago I was trying to drive home when traffic on this particular street came to a total stop.

In a house up ahead someone had gone public with the claim that the Blessed Mother had appeared in the wood grain on the door of a bedroom armoire.

News crews and a mass of people from who knows how far away gathered and absolutely clogged the streets. I found it totally embarrassing. The Church has really failed in its teaching mission if so many Cathholics are willing to jump to these sorts of superstitions.


17 posted on 08/15/2013 9:44:46 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Alex Murphy

This is more like my kind of miracle:

http://angelqueen.org/2013/08/06/truth-or-hoax-alleged-eucharistic-miracle-under-investigation-in-mexico/

I guess time will show whether it is real.


18 posted on 08/15/2013 9:46:30 AM PDT by piusv
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To: MEGoody
Protestants have their weird, creepy cult stuff too. Ever hear of so called "holy laughter"?

No.

But I have heard of it among Pentacostals.

19 posted on 08/15/2013 9:51:58 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Gamecock

Hate to burst your bubble, but Pentecostals are clearly part of the Protestant constellation of sects.


20 posted on 08/15/2013 10:08:46 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Buckeye McFrog
The Church has really failed in its teaching mission if so many Catholics are willing to jump to these sorts of superstitions.

I can't argue with that.

21 posted on 08/15/2013 10:09:07 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy

If it is aphids, let us not forget that God created the aphids and uses them to His purposes.


22 posted on 08/15/2013 10:09:28 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
If it was proven that the Old Testament manna was also something akin to dried Crape Myrtle tree bug poop, would modern Protestants be mocking the Old Testament Jews the way they are mocking these simple faithful Christians now?

That whole argument is utter dependent on that first word - IF.

Let me know when that word changes from IF to AFTER.

23 posted on 08/15/2013 10:18:15 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy

Nice dodge, not unexpected.


24 posted on 08/15/2013 10:20:34 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

No. Thgey are not.

Contrary to the Papist world view they live in their own sect. Closer to Rome in many ways than the churches that spring from the Reformation.


25 posted on 08/15/2013 10:56:36 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m Catholic, and all I can say is “There are weirdo’s in every group.” Enuff said.


26 posted on 08/15/2013 11:04:47 AM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Those are all interesting natural possibilities, but God’s Word makes it clear that Manna was something supernatural, and ended after the Children of Israel ate food from the Promised Land.

Joshua 5:12 (KJV)
And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year.

It first appeared after the dew in Exodus 16:8-14, not before, and not after Joshua 5:12.

Had it been the result of common insects, or nature, surely the Bedouins of the Sinai would have used it before, and after. And its doubtful the plants or insects would have produced the quantity and density necessary to feed such a large host - 600,000 fighting men plus women, elderly and children! The Word confirms it was not known before or after. Deut 8:3-16, Josh 5:12

It rained (or came) from Heaven Ps 78:24, John 6:31-32

It was found on the ground, not on plants. Ex 16:14

They kept some in the Ark and it was preserved, while the rest would go bad after one day, except the day before the Sabbath when twice as much was gathered for both days. Ex 16:19-20, 16:33, Heb 9:4

It was small, round, sweet, and would melt - Ex 16.

Manna sustained them briefly until they reached the land of promise. Jesus reveals that he is the true bread from Heaven that gives life!

John 6:30-38 (KJV)
They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave them bread from heaven to eat.
Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven.
For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.
All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.


27 posted on 08/15/2013 11:07:16 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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Just last week the FRoman Catholics were thrilled about some mysterious person at a car crash. They were just sure it was a heavenly visitor. (Very Pentecostal take on it all)

Now they are trying to say bug poo is really something more Divine. (More closet Pentecostalism)

Just like the religious folk in the OT, constantly demanding signs.

28 posted on 08/15/2013 11:08:11 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Kandy Atz

Let’s not let God’s word get in the way here! < /sarc>


29 posted on 08/15/2013 11:08:57 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Gamecock

Denial ain’t just a river in Egypt.


30 posted on 08/15/2013 11:09:46 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Gamecock
But I have heard of it among Pentacostals.

Pentcoastals are Protestants. (By the way, I am a Protestant, though not one of the Pentecostal variety.)

31 posted on 08/15/2013 11:10:28 AM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

It is a stream of thought in Papist thought though!


32 posted on 08/15/2013 11:13:24 AM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Kandy Atz

Amazing that folks here believe manna was supernatural (as do I) but that that which it prefigured, the True Presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist, is only symbolic, in contradiction of the plain clear sense of scription of John 6.


33 posted on 08/15/2013 11:13:28 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Brian Kopp DPM
Nice dodge, not unexpected.

Are you saying something was aimed at me?

34 posted on 08/15/2013 11:26:26 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Alex Murphy
God made the bugs and the bugs made the poop.

So this stuff does come from God, regifted once.

There you go, snakehandler.

35 posted on 08/15/2013 11:29:35 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead
God made the bugs and the bugs made the poop. So this stuff does come from God, regifted once. There you go, snakehandler.

Wow - it's been a long while since I've been personally called that.

36 posted on 08/15/2013 11:44:35 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("Thus, my opponent's argument falls.")
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To: Gamecock
Contrary to the Papist world view they live in their own sect.

That describes all of Protestantism: contrary to the Papist [sic] world view, and living in their own sect.

37 posted on 08/15/2013 11:51:41 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: Gamecock
Pentecostalism comes from mainstream (Methodist) Protestantism and has nothing whatsoever in its lineage to do with Catholicism.

Holiness movement

The holiness movement refers to a set of beliefs and practices emerging from 19th-century Methodism, and to a number of evangelical Christian denominations who emphasize those beliefs as a central doctrine. The movement is distinguished by its emphasis on John Wesley's "Christian perfection" teaching—the belief that it is possible to live free of voluntary sin, and particularly by the belief that this may be accomplished instantaneously through a second work of grace.


38 posted on 08/15/2013 11:55:50 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Try to figure out how to bottle that Holy Sap...If you can feel better just letting the stuff drop on you, just think of the benefits of taking it by the teaspoon...Catholics will go nuts over that stuff...You’ll be rich...


39 posted on 08/15/2013 11:58:17 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

“Holiness Churches”? Really? LOL


40 posted on 08/15/2013 12:01:14 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Gamecock

Granted, this is not my cup o’ tea, but these folks were not “demanding” signs.


41 posted on 08/15/2013 12:02:37 PM PDT by piusv
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To: Brian Kopp DPM

Ya’ll both are gaga over things.

Catholics: Bug poo
Pentacostals: Gold dust

You have more in common than any Roman Catholic would care too admit.


42 posted on 08/15/2013 12:12:32 PM PDT by Gamecock (Member: NAACAC)
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To: Gamecock

A couple uneducated barely literate Hispanics seeking after signs does not equal “Catholics are gaga over Bug Poo” any more than a couple Protestant Pentecostals displaying signs of demonic possession equals all Protestants are possessed.

But you knew that before you posted.


43 posted on 08/15/2013 12:19:33 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: piusv; Brian Kopp DPM

I thought Church was for sinners.


44 posted on 08/15/2013 12:31:16 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: MEGoody

Ever hear of so called “holy laughter”?


No.

“Oh yeah, you’re weird too” isn’t much of a rebuttal.


45 posted on 08/15/2013 12:50:13 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Brian Kopp DPM; Gamecock

Hate to burst your bubble, but Pentecostals are clearly part of the Protestant constellation of sects.


Much in the same way splinter orders of lesbian militant communist nuns are part of the Catholic Church?

When you paint with a broad brush you tend to get some on yourself.


46 posted on 08/15/2013 12:53:19 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Gumdrop

I’m Catholic, and all I can say is “There are weirdo’s in every group.” Enuff said.


Best Post!


47 posted on 08/15/2013 12:54:23 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
splinter orders of lesbian militant communist nuns are part of the Catholic Church

In Catholicism, its clear that lesbian militant communist nuns are dissenters who disagree with their Church's teachings. The Vatican appoints overseers to their representative bodies to make sure they change their beliefs to return to full communion. Fortunately these obvious dissenters represent a tiny fraction of Catholics.

Pentecostalism, on the other hand, is one of the largest and fastest growing bodies of Protestantism, and mainstream Protestantism has no mechanism to check and correct their errors.

48 posted on 08/15/2013 1:09:30 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
“Oh yeah, you’re weird too” isn’t much of a rebuttal.

Well, that's probably because I wasn't "rebutting" anything. I was simply saying there are weirdos everywhere.

49 posted on 08/15/2013 1:14:16 PM PDT by MEGoody (You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: Alex Murphy
Now, now! Scientists are only competent when they deny the historicity of Genesis 1-11! Catholic miracles are outside their purview.

How dare you attempt to ridicule the Monumental Intellectual Tradition that built Western Civilization, you brain-dead Bibliolator??? You're just mad 'cause you ain't smart enough to be Catholic! (Unlike the geniuses in this article.)[/sarcasm]

50 posted on 08/15/2013 2:03:34 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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