Posted on 09/01/2013 2:10:47 PM PDT by NYer
As a Catholic, I say, “Who cares?” With all of the important matters in this world and in our individual faiths, arguing over addressing a priest as Father, is as dumb as the old argument over how many angels can fit on the head of a pin.
I am a volunteer chaplain’s assistant in a non-sectarian hospital. The current hospital chaplain happens to be a Catholic priest. His predecessor was a Protestant. The Catholic chaplain’s assistants address him as Father, and the Protestant and Jewish chaplain’s assistants address him as Chaplain. The issue of how to address this priest has never come up.
Whose last name does everyone use???
A priest may be addressed as Reverend or Canon if he happens to be one. Only liberals refuse to use propers, time honored titles.
I always thought that verse was a warning not to lend your allegiances and submit to leadership blindly,especially in the light of the surrounding context of verses. True Christian leaders and preachers would always point to Christ and to the true Father in heaven. Any submission to these men that goes beyond scriptural orthodoxy or any course of action or life style that these men may advocate that goes beyond Christian teaching was to be avoided and these “leaders” shunned...hence “Call no man Father”.
I don’t think Christ was advocating that we do away with “father” type relationships...both spiritual and familial in the sense of the raising of the physical or the spiritually immature, mentoring relationships as well as behavioral and spiritual modeling that the mentally or spiritually immature would be encouraged to emulate.
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Excellent article, NYer. Thank you.
“The official Catholic bible is the NAB”
Last I checked the Catholic church exists outside of America.
Exactly so. The authority of our fathers here on earth stems from the authority of our Father in heaven. THIS is the radical notion.
“ALL believers are priests after the resurrection of Christ.
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Then why did Jesus choose disciples?
The article doesn't show any such thing...If it did, there would be multitudes of millions of non Catholic Christians agreeing with you...And they aren't...
God may not be offended, but it's going to tick him off...I won't call any spiritual leader Father...Anytime, anywhere...
Yes, even as the Pharisees used the words of Moses...
I call most Christian ministers...”Reverend”. No one ever gets offended....though some of the more Pentacostal ones might have uttered a “pishaww” a time or two at the perceived ostentatiousness of the title! Baptists or pentacostals...I’ll often use “Pastor” as well as “reverend”....it seems to depend on the formality of the occaision.
"Brother" is a title given to the members of a religious order. It typically implies that the one using it is a person who has taken vows of obedience, celibacy, and poverty, but who has not been ordained to Holy Orders.
"Father" is a title exclusively reserved for those who are ordained to the priesthood.
He knew He wasnt going to be here so needed them to learn from Him and teach others.
The term "disciple" is derived from the Koine Greek word mathetes (a learner, pupil, disciple). He chose those twelve to be the initial pupils of what He taught. Then He made them Apostles.
Apostle or the Greek word Apostolos simply means a delegate, messenger, one sent forth
So you see, the RCC is once again lying to its followers in that we all are disciples and all of us are to be apostles because we are sent forth to spread the word and be a messenger for Christ.
Followers of the RCC need to understand that the RCC has deceived them.
Wrong. The USCCB (actually, the CCD) has the copyright on the NAB. It is approved for use in the U.S. only. The Lectionary is taken from the NAB.
But the USCCB has approved 10-12 different translations, plus there is a blanket approval for every translation that was approved by a local ordinary or the Apostolic See before 1983, or since 1983 by the bishops' conference.
So that includes the Douay, as well as the RSV (Catholic edition). Also the Knox Bible, which is my current favorite.
The NAB is a typical product of the seventies . . . it is neither euphonious nor a particularly accurate translation. They have tried revising it several times, but it's still pretty clunky -- it's what is sometimes called a "dynamic translation" but it is not one in the strictest sense of the word. The Knox Bible is a true "dynamic translation"; if you want to see the difference, compare the two.
“He knew He wasnt going to be here so needed them to learn from Him and teach others.”
Sounds like a teaching magisterium to me.
You mean other than all Christians are given those same tasks? Are Christians not sent forth to proclaim Gods word? Are Christians today not disciples in that they are learners or pupils?
“You mean other than all Christians are given those same tasks?”
I’m saying that Jesus handpicked some of his followers to be the big D Disciples and the big A Apostles. Precisely so that they had authority to teach others. This is exactly what the magisterium is.
“Reverend” is an adjective, but many people mistakenly use it as a title. For example, a popular commentator calls a well-known cleric “the Reverend Jackson,” when it should be the Reverend Jesse Jackson or the Reverend Mr. Jackson.
I still call them by their last names only. Just wanted to see what some would post.
Mr. Obama, nothing more.
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