Posted on 09/07/2013 2:27:28 PM PDT by NYer
Ping!
**Francis wanted confessors to be present on this day as “true peace is born of the human heart reconciled with God and with one’s brothers”.**
Imagine if that could happen on FR — true peace.
Do you have a problem with the Sacrament of Confession, as well?
Crowd like that, food vendors would have made out quite well.
Pope Fail.
Always? Really? The great final war will be waged by none other than God himself along with his Saints. Will Francis condemn God then?
You no can fool me. There ain't no such thing as no Sanity Clause.
There are some details that could be quibbled over. It will not be the saints who are asking for this war.
Syria is a mess of two groups of horrible sinners at one another’s throats with no clear virtuous cause favoring one side or the other. Trying to take sides there is just foolish. Obama should have given that hornets’ nest a wide berth and in principle still could.
Hate to be the one who breaks it to you, but your Pope is very wrong. War often solves severe problems, and God has used it for His purposes many times. The Pope is apparently neither a student of history nor scripture...
Please cite one New Testament verse that supports war.
The Pope is apparently neither a student of history nor scripture...
This statement is supported by ???
13 Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.
Just as government has police, it also must protect its citizens with an Army. And this was said of a Roman soldier:
“10 In Caesarea there lived a Roman army officer named Cornelius, who was a captain of the Italian Regiment. 2 He was a devout, God-fearing man, as was everyone in his household. He gave generously to the poor and prayed regularly to God.”
I also find it interesting that you want to limit things to the New Testament. Is the Old Testament not the Word of God? Was King David not a man after God’s heart?
To pretend God calls us to run around shouting “Peace! Peace!” is to ignore the scriptures and the role God requires government to play. And history shows many examples of when war did wonderful things - like free Europe from the Nazis, kept South Korea free, liberated Iraq, ended slavery in the USA, etc.
So you are saying the New Testament is NOT the Word of God?
World peace is a lovely sentiment, but we live in a world of fallen human beings. There are evildoers in this world, and they must be opposed. Just because we’re “nice” doesn’t mean they will be “nice” back. Sadly, the people who need to hear it most are deaf to the Holy Father’s bids for peace. We can pray but that is not enough.
Even in the Old Testament war was a last resort. In the new testament it was almost unheard of, and if it did happen it was because there was no other way to resolve the issue at hand. Jesus was called the Prince of Peace, not the Prince
of War.
The only people that benefit from war is the Military/Industrial Complex war profiteers.
“WAR is a racket. It always has been.
It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives.
A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small “inside” group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes”. ~ Major General Smedley Butler, US Marines
You're talking about the Church that developed the "Just War Theory" over the course of millenia, beginning with St. Augustine, 1700 years ago.
Regardless, there is a painfully obvious sense in which war, regardless of its justifiability, always represents a loss for humanity. Does this really require explanation?
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