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Adoptive parents of Ethiopian girl who died of hypothermia and starvation...
mail online ^ | Snejana Farberov

Posted on 09/12/2013 3:26:09 PM PDT by Morgana

FULL TITLE: Adoptive parents of Ethiopian girl who died of hypothermia and starvation in their backyard found GUILTY of manslaughter

A Washington state couple were convicted of manslaughter Monday in the gruesome starvation and hypothermia death of a teenage girl they adopted from Ethiopia.

A jury found Larry Williams, of Sedro-Woolley, guilty of first-degree manslaughter, while his wife, Carri Williams, was found guilty of homicide by abuse as well as manslaughter. The jury also convicted them both of assault and each faces a possible life sentence.

Hana Williams died in May 2011 in the backyard of the couple's home, where she was forced to stay as part of a strict system of child-rearing outlined in a Christian parenting book. An autopsy showed that Hana died of hypothermia that was aggravated by chronic gastritis and malnutrition.

Her bone-thin body was covered in bruises, including a lump on her shaved head, and red bloody markings on her hips, elbows and face.

Defense lawyers argued that questionable parenting practices don't necessarily amount to a crime.

Hana is believed to have been 13, but no documentation of her birth in Ethiopia was available. The trial was postponed several times and her body was exhumed in January.

The jury began deliberating last week. On Monday, they announced their decision to convict both the Williams' of first degree manslaughter.

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion
KEYWORDS: abuse; child; childabuse; christians
"followed strict religious principles described in the Christian parenting book titled ‘To Train Up a Child,’ investigators said."

That sentence says it all. It's a wonder both kids are not dead.

1 posted on 09/12/2013 3:26:09 PM PDT by Morgana
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To: Morgana

I can’t stand these adoptive parents horror stories.........millions and millions of children are adopted and cared for lovingly.

Then every now and then monsters emerge, (just like birth parents) and suddenly ALL adoptive parents are monsters.


2 posted on 09/12/2013 3:29:44 PM PDT by svcw (We do not fear death, as much as we fear no one will remember us.)
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To: svcw

Makes you wonder just how these were allowed to adopt in the first place. Was it because they had the money to go buy a kid from a third world country like Madonna? That does not make them loving parents.


3 posted on 09/12/2013 3:33:41 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Out of curiosity, I looked up the child training book on Amazon.

According to the reader reviews, it has been responsible for the deaths of several children. It doesn’t look like a very good book to recommend to new parents.

http://www.amazon.com/Train-Up-Child-Michael-Pearl/dp/1892112000/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1379025183&sr=1-1&keywords=to+train+up+a+child


4 posted on 09/12/2013 3:36:19 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Morgana

This is so sickening. Anyone who does this to a child is demonic.


5 posted on 09/12/2013 3:38:14 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Morgana

may these perps burn in hell


6 posted on 09/12/2013 3:38:16 PM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Cicero

It has been responsible for several deaths!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIs1-4uj_zs


7 posted on 09/12/2013 3:40:19 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

I am familiar with the book and the authors perspective. The book teaches children to be obedient, and give the children lots of love and freedom.

these are perverts who are blaming everything but themselves.


8 posted on 09/12/2013 3:40:49 PM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Chickensoup

Anything can be taken out of context. I think most who read this book don’t know how to use it.


9 posted on 09/12/2013 3:46:20 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Many do use it and well. I was impressed by their over all ministry and books. There are jerks in all situations.


10 posted on 09/12/2013 3:49:45 PM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Cicero

Thanks for the link; out of curiosity, I checked it out myself.

Yikes.

It’s like the Marquis de Sade wrote a child-raising manual; using plastic plumbing supply lines to spank a child “until they’re broken” (the child, that is!)......there’s a word for that.

Child abuse. This book is advocating sheer sadism in the name of God.

Fail.


11 posted on 09/12/2013 3:53:30 PM PDT by AnAmericanAbroad (It's all bread and circuses for the future prey of the Morlocks.)
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To: Morgana

Oh, I seriously doubt it was the books fault and Christian had nothing to do with it.


12 posted on 09/12/2013 3:55:14 PM PDT by CityCenter (The solution to all problems is spiritual.)
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To: Chickensoup

I think one needs to be careful who gets such a book.

Actually, I believe more discipline would be a good thing for most children. But such recommendations have to be taken with care.


13 posted on 09/12/2013 4:11:26 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Actually, I believe more discipline would be a good thing for most children. But such recommendations have to be taken with care.

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I absolutely agree with you on both issues.


14 posted on 09/12/2013 4:20:05 PM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: Morgana

I get that.
I am sick to death of the rant “adoptive parents are bad”.
Are there hideous, disgusting monsters - yes in both the adoptive and biological realm.
As I said before millions of children are adopted by loving parents, unfortunately these stories discolor all adoptive parents.


15 posted on 09/12/2013 4:21:22 PM PDT by svcw (We do not fear death, as much as we fear no one will remember us.)
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To: svcw

Exactly!!!!!! Same way with step-parents. My uncle married a single mom and adopted her 4 year old daughter. I was adopted and so was my brother. And our family never treated differently than the bio relatives....Well, except for me. I was my great grandmother’s favorite :)


16 posted on 09/12/2013 4:59:24 PM PDT by chae (I was anti-Obama before it was cool)
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To: chae

Nice.
God’s speed for you and your family.


17 posted on 09/12/2013 5:00:29 PM PDT by svcw (We do not fear death, as much as we fear no one will remember us.)
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To: Morgana
...where she was forced to stay as part of a strict system of child-rearing outlined in a Christian parenting book

Catholic?

18 posted on 09/12/2013 5:01:00 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Nope, try again.

Catholics use guilt trips on their kids to make them behave. I’ve seen this and I’ve seen this work.


19 posted on 09/12/2013 5:10:02 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

Gee... Having raised six children and read several Christian parenting books...not one ever recommended beating and starving your child and leaving them out in the cold to die...

Maybe I have a reading comprehension problem. : )


20 posted on 09/12/2013 5:14:45 PM PDT by Popman (Liberal wars are about killing people for humanitarian reasons...)
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To: Morgana

One of the biggest failings of Muslims is that they will never condemn a Muslim even for the most egregious of offenses. They will be evasive as all get out to avoid doing so, but in the process deserve to be painted with the same tar brush.

To be respected they will have to not only condemn Muslims who have offended, but call them “bad Muslims”, and those whose offenses are inhuman should be rejected, that they are not Muslims at all, but liars who claim to be Muslims.

I say this as preface to the behavior of Christians.

When someone claims to be a Christian and commits horrific acts; or worse, tries to use Christianity to justify their horrific acts, for the credibility of their faith, Christians must step up to the plate first, to condemn their actions in the strongest of terms. That these acts in particular are not Christian acts, and to try and justify them as Christian is cursing Christianity.

That such people are not Christians, or even faithless. They are demons slandering Christianity with their behavior.


21 posted on 09/12/2013 5:24:24 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (The best War on Terror News is at rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy; GeronL

Let’s face it, people like this give all Christians a bad name. These people were totally clueless in my book.


22 posted on 09/12/2013 5:26:59 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Chickensoup

I have never read the book and have no idea on what it recommends, but it should be obvious at least that your child needs to be fed and, if a book recommends starving them to discipline them, that the book should be thrown in the trash.


23 posted on 09/12/2013 7:33:53 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Popman

Apparently that, because multiple children have died by parents who followed the advice in this book, this is not a very good Christian parenting book to follow.


24 posted on 09/12/2013 8:27:47 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults)
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To: Alex Murphy
Any sort of parenting based in discipline and authority and breaking the child's will has no place in adoptive parenting. Unfortunately, many of the Biblically based parenting books do tend that way. And they may be fine for run of the mill kids and perhaps even kids who are adopted as infants, but for adopted kids who are already broken - attachment parenting is much more effective.
25 posted on 09/13/2013 2:25:05 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Morgana
Here's an excerpt from the trial: Williams remembers when Hana started violently throwing herself down on the ground, hitting her head. "It was on the gravel, on the cement and on our lawn," said Williams, crying. "I couldn’t stand to watch her do that over and over again." "So you went inside and turned off the light?" asked Kaholokula. "I went inside, yes, but I still monitored her from the inside," answered Williams.

Hitting oneself/banging one's head is a classic sign of an attachment disorder. And this idiot treated it like a discipline problem. She watched her daughter bang her head onto the gravel and did nothing to stop it.

Here's an excerpt from the Pearls' website: When a child is told to do something that he doesn’t want to do, he will often ask, “Why?” In most cases the question is not prompted by a spirit of cooperative inquiry but by a spirit of independence and maybe even rebellion. The question is thrown at the parent as a challenge to his or her authority. A wise parent will know that the character of the child is better served if the question is left unanswered.

This is exactly the wrong approach for children with attachment issues who often go through a phase of obsessively asking questions.

Unfortunately, adoption is so often touted in Churches as a way to care for the widows and orphans. Adoption is a way to increase the size of your family and that is it. Any approach to parenting that focuses on breaking the child's will is bad, bad, bad for (older) adopted children.

26 posted on 09/13/2013 3:10:40 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Morgana
Oh Dear Lord in Heaven, here is a recap of the adoptive mother's trial testimony: About Hana’s behavioral problems: She lied and stole. She didn’t steal just any food, Carri said. She stole junk food: sweets. She also wrote capital letters in the middle of words, and didn’t stand or sit exactly where she was told.

These are attachment issues with a capital A. Except for the capital letter thing and only someone who couldn't see her child's pain would care about misplaced capital letters.

27 posted on 09/13/2013 3:17:11 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: Jonty30

No it does not make that recommendation.


28 posted on 09/13/2013 4:32:21 AM PDT by Chickensoup (...We didn't love freedom enough... Solzhenitsyn.)
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To: old and tired

Pardon me for being blunt but in my opinion the Pearls are a bunch of inbreed rednecks who had no business writing a book in the first place. Anyone who reads their trash and follows their advice gets the jail time they deserve.
I’m not against swatting a kid, and once in a while I’d take my own Grandmother’s advise on a really rotten kid which is to take him to the field and horsewhip him. The Pearls however take it too far every time, and it does not need to be taken to far ever single time. They just love to pick up a switch and beat a kid because they get some sick thrill out of it. Yes I said it too because I am convinced of it.


29 posted on 09/13/2013 2:31:08 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

This was torture, and the “parents” are sadists.


30 posted on 09/13/2013 2:32:46 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

You know what? I think the Pearls are sadists as well.


31 posted on 09/13/2013 2:36:53 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

How does anyone deny a child food and warmth? Aren’t these the most basic of necessities? How cruel.


32 posted on 09/13/2013 2:38:27 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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