"This Is How It Is" – In Mega-Interview, Francis Lowers the Boom. Again

Whispers in the Loggia ^ | September 19, 2013 | Rocco Palmo

[NYer]

you will want to read the full text

The media are already spinning his words.

[Cicero]

Mark for later.

[steve86]

Not so sure any spin is needed this time.

Fisheaters Thread

[steve86]

Anyone with the stomach for it needs to glance at the comments in the NYT article.

All the worst types are attracted to this pope — and NOT because they want to be converted or desire absolution for their sins. They think they’re getting ENCOURAGEMENT from this pope!

Even if the pope didn’t intend that sort of reaction (I’m sure he didn’t), this is a SERIOUS PROBLEM!

[Alex Murphy]

Beyond being merely conspicuous, the timing of the latest bombshell from the wildly candid Jesuit Pope effectively signals the start of Francis' full-bore dive into matters of governance and the church's internal life, which will kick into top gear with Papa Bergoglio's inaugural meeting with his hand-picked "Super 8" commission of cardinal-advisers, scheduled for 1-3 October.

Ahead of the scheduled conference, I hear the commission has already attracted some protesters.

[NYer]

All the worst types are attracted to this pope

Luke 19:1-10 - "For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save what was lost."

Mark 2:15-17 - "Those who are well do not need a physician, but the sick do."

Matthew 9:10-13 - "I did not come to call the righteous but sinners.”

[Sergio]

bkmk

[little jeremiah]

NYer, I’m reading the text of an interview here:

http://www.americamagazine.org/pope-interview

“A Big Heart Open to God” and I can’t remember which thread it was on. Is it this thread or another/?? I’m more disorganized than ever.

I loved this sentence (still reading through):

“I am a sinner whom the Lord has looked upon.”

Reminds me of a statement in the Vedic tradition, how a surrender soul or saintly person thinks of himself:

“I am a poor sinful fool, who has taken shelter of God.”

[21twelve]

Thanks for the link.

Although I gave up after reading the second post (to confusing on who they are posting to, etc.). Those other sites remind me how great the format of FR is!

[Tax-chick]

Pope Francis often says he’s a sinner, and even gives examples. He seems to want people to stop thinking, “I’m good compared to ... ,” and look at themselves honestly in light of the Gospel.

[NYer]

“I am a sinner whom the Lord has looked upon.” Reminds me of a statement in the Vedic tradition, how a surrender soul or saintly person thinks of himself:

Actually it reminds you of what I posted in comment #7.

[Chainmail]

Adveniat ad alteri Dei .

[NYer]

Pope Francis often says he’s a sinner, and even gives examples. He seems to want people to stop thinking, “I’m good compared to ... ,” and look at themselves honestly in light of the Gospel.

Excellent point! Thank you for the post and ping.

[steve86]

They definitely need a spiritual physician but that isn’t what they’re seeking. Approval is what they’re seeking and what they think they’re getting.

[steve86]

Too bad you gave up so quick. I really don’t have any trouble understanding the format over there.

[little jeremiah]

Thank you both. I really, really like this Pope!

I wish I knew what thread I had looked at originally.

[little jeremiah]

Reminds me of both...

:-)

[Solson]

they have been doing so since he took the seat. I’ve read this and for this simple man (me), I see him addressing charity and acting charitably, not tolerance of the sin(s).

[Mr Rogers]

A physician will tell you about your illness, or tell you to eat less and move more. The Pope tells people, “Hey, I’m fat too! And I get short of breath too! Isn’t it wonderful God made us like this!”

At a bare minimum, he is almost daily saying things that make it easy to ‘misconstrue’ him and take comfort in our sinfulness. When the Methodists say things like this, FRers oppose them. When the new Pope says things like this, the Catholic apologists here and on NRO claim others don’t understand him - in which case I can only conclude you have an idiot for a Pope.