Posted on 09/19/2013 5:04:36 PM PDT by markomalley
Where is this statement, "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God" a heresy to God's Word, the Holy Bible?
Are you saying that the Bible supports homosexual "marriage"?
Because Cardinal Bergoglio said that homosexual marriage was a machination of the devil.
If you're going to post cheesy jpegs, I'd think you could at least post the correct quote.
BTW, a little bit later, he said: “We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.
But, of course, since you support homosexual “marriage”, I guess you wouldn’t want to understand what he actually says.
When did I ever say I support “homosexual marriage?”
” When did I ever say I support “homosexual marriage?””
Since you called his opposition to “marriage equality” a heresy against the Scriptures, what other conclusion should one draw.
The pope DID say what I posted, on July 22, 2013 during an interview with reporters. The “context” you posted adds nothing to detract from his moral relativism, in fact, it only adds to the bitter stew he himself is cooking.
He has refuted his own statements, and that is what I meant to convey. My fault for the confusion - sorry.
Perhaps this is the wishful thinking your organization holds. As with many other traditions it promotes, this view does not comport with the Scriptures.
Prov. 21:1 "The king's heart is like channels of water in the hand of the Lord; He turns it wherever He wishes.
Prov. 16:9 "The mind of man plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps.
There is nothing uncontrolled in the universe...
Prov. 16:33 "The lot is cast into the lap, But its every decision is from the Lord.
Free will? Sorry. There are probably 100 more passages where free will is debunked. But, it requires one to read the text without the organizational glasses on. We have a God who really is God. Maybe the RCC should reconsider the god they worship...if they can.
Very kind offer. Hopefully, God will allow someone to seek you out and visit.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Thanks.
**utterly deceived and blinded **
We are not deceived and blinded. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Have you ever attended a Catholic Mass? Almost the entire Mass is from the Bible.
I suspect that your organization does not agree that "everyone is entitled to their opinion". That is one of the great tragedies of Rome. They dictate exactly what you must believe, exactly what you must do to be rescued, exactly what you must do with regard to them. Check Vatican II out. Only the brass knows what you must believe. But, even this is being managed by God.
Is a repentant homosexual able to be saved?
Follow up question: if a repentant homosexual is saved and his sins are forgiven by God, then is it appropriate for other Christians to judge him based upon past sins that God has already forgiven?
(N B: if your answer to the previous question was that he is beyond saving, then please disregard this question)
I do not believe that any is "beyond saving" for Jesus. The Bible also warns us to watch against wolves in sheep's clothing (Matthew 7:15), false teachers (2 Peter 2: 1-3), and those who would alter God's Word (Revelation 22:18-19).
I appreciate your systematic breakdown of Francis’ words. You have put forth a fair analysis of the words and what the mean or may mean.
Honestly, your analysis is better than Weigel’s commentary on the interview. The reason I say this, is that you take it on in full and Weigel uses a strawman argument in his critique of we who are distraught over this interview.
He accuses those who critiqued Pope Francis as “misrepresent(ing) Pope Francis as an advocate of doctrinal and moral change. This is not the case at all. My point is that we live in a cultural depravity, where the gay lifesyle and abortion are intensively and consistently rammed down our throats. We need a strong Christian voice to stand up to these constant bombardments.
More importantly to me as a father, with two children in Catholic school, I have to consider if my children are capable of comprehending the subtleties of this Papal strategy.
“Dad, is it now wrong to pray and speak out against abortions? Is the Church changing on these issues?”
It makes our jobs as parents more difficult. Especially, as we let our senior children embark on to college, where the cultural indoctrination is inescapable.
Anyway, I still have major reservations about this new tone and this Pope. And I do appreciate the more Christ-centered approach, which you would think our Protestant brothers would be slightly more welcoming of lol.
Thanks for your analysis it is appreciated.
Good. Neither do I.
The Holy Father apparently agrees with the two of us:
If a person is gay and seeks the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge him?
Just because one can read or hear scripture, salavation, does not mean one can understand it.
It takes the Holy Spirit living inside a believer to give understanding and discernment.
God bless,
jodyel
I hope so, dutchboy...because that is all I really want...is for them to know the spectacular relationship with the Savior without the machinations of fallen men surrounding it.
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