Pope Francis, Striking Out or Hitting a Home Run?

Townhall ^ | 09/25/2013 | Michael Brown

[frogjerk]

part of the confusion has to be that the Vatican doesn’t do PR well at all.

[frogjerk]

From Father Z:

“I remember, when I used go to Germany in the 1980s and ’90s, that I was asked to give interviews and I always knew the questions in advance. They concerned the ordination of women, contraception, abortion and other such constantly recurring problems. If we let ourselves be drawn into these discussions, the Church is then identified with certain commandments or prohibitions; we give the impression that we are moralists with a few somewhat antiquated convictions, and not even a hint of the true greatness of the faith appears. I therefore consider it essential always to highlight the greatness of our faith – a commitment from which we must not allow such situations to divert us. ” – Address of his Holiness Benedict XVI – Thursday, 9 November 2006

[GOP Poet]

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[NYer]

Catholic ping!

[Jeff Chandler]

From my perspective, it’s too soon to come to conclusions about Pope Francis

I have come to the conclusion that the Holy Father is ambiguous in speech.

[Wyrd bið ful aræd]

Striking out.

I have essentially ceased to pay any attention to him. He's no Benedict, that's for sure.

[jmaroneps37]

Ask the Australian priest he just excommunicated how Francis is doing.

[HiTech RedNeck]

If this keeps up, Rome will join the Southern Baptist Convention in a few years.... :-)

[livius]

I don’t think he’s ambiguous. He has a message, which is that he wants people to convert and he doesn’t want them to think about it in political terms or even really in the way that the press always presents the Church (repressive, rigid, etc.). He wants them to meet the Lord.

I don’t think, however, that he always considers how the enemies of the Lord will twist things.

On the other hand, BXVI said very little officially, except for the audiences, and gave few live interviews. But even so, the press managed to distort one of them to the point of making it sound like an attack on Catholic doctrine, and made his scholarly Regensburg address sound like he was calling out the Crusaders. So there’s really not much that can be done about this.

If Jesus had waited until he thought he’d be understood, he wouldn’t have been able to open his mouth.

[GOP Poet]

Negative. Moral ambiguity helps no one, and as Paul taught, “if the bugle gives an indistinct sound,who will get ready for battle?” (1 Corinthians 14:8)

Or in this case maybe what the writer hears is an indistinct sound and is unable to hear the bugle. Bingo! The devil resides in mental engagement in such a way that the heart can not be heard. This is the demon that has overtaken many of the faithful.

What the pope is saying is build (or rebuild) a stable foundation to the house first before redoing the kitchen cabinets or buying new windows that may be broken. Once the foundation is righted many other problems (sins) either resolve themselves or can be more easily addressed.

It is when the mind and pride has locked itself into a rut that it can't be open to hear the heart and thus the soul.

[Revolting cat!]

The Pope ain’t playing baseball!

[GOP Poet]

He is converting souls that have been lost for a long time. The rest is just collateral damage. He is not preaching to the converted in fact he is saying, “He who has no sin . . . “ to the faithful and he is right to do so. The evil one will always do evil. It never stopped Jesus from doing the tough work. The evil one will always twist everything but it will reach many souls and already has reach millions that would never even mention the word Catholic or pope. He is the talk of the globe now and his message is getting deep into peoples craws that would never have otherwise. The present faithful already have the foundational tools of Christ and need to pick them up and get to work.

[Tax-chick]

I think Pope Francis is excellent. I thought Pope Benedict was excellent. I thought Pope John Paul II was outrageously extremely excellent. (From what I’ve read of Pope John Paul I, he was a great guy.) I’d probably have liked Pope Paul just fine, but I was a 9-year-old Protestant at the time, give me a break.

[Heart-Rest]

Jeff Pope Swinging

Well, I'll say the Pope hasn't fully completed his swing yet, so the jury is still out (to mix and match metaphors).

I will cautiously say that while Christians should of course always emphasize God's love, they should also make sure they do not ignore the greatest evils facing their time, or bury their heads in the sand.

For example, Christians faced with Hitler and the Nazis, or Stalin and the Communists, would have been wrong to have kept quiet about those monstrous evils during those times, and only talk about the love of Jesus.    Strongly opposing those evils actually demonstrated the love of Jesus.

The same rule applies to the greatest evils of today, such as the hideous, monstrous act of baby killing.    And if we really love and care about homosexuals, we will proclaim loudly and clearly that the Bible calls homosexual behavior "an abomination", and St. Paul plainly says that homosexuals will not make it into the kingdom of God (with the implication being that that is true, barring repentence and God's forgiveness, of course). (See Leviticus 18:22, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

[Heart-Rest]

(Also see “Catechism of the Catholic Church” paragraphs 2357, 2358, and 2359.)

[Salvation]

My priest is Jesuit educated and does a very reverent Novus Ordo.

He says that Jesuits like to talk in riddles/be edgy to make people think. He always right on the edge.

This describes Pope Francis all the way.

[Salvation]

**He always right on the edge.**

Indeed, the Pope is always right on the edge.

[Jeff Chandler]

He says that Jesuits like to talk in riddles

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[Biggirl]

That was so until Blessed John Paul II came on the scene in leadership in Poland and the Solidary movement took off. The rest is history.