Posted on 10/08/2013 5:24:17 PM PDT by marshmallow
A new exhibition at Tate Britain highlights the scale of destruction to artworks in the Tudor period – a staggering amount of books and music were also destroyed
The slashed and broken medieval images displayed in the new Art Under Attack exhibition at the Tate are a reminder of what we lost in the hundred and fifty years after the Reformation. Even now there is denial about the scale of the erasing of our medieval past. The Tate estimates we lost 90% of our religious art. It was probably even more than that. The destruction was on a scale that far outstrips the modern efforts of Islamist extremists. And it was not only art we lost, but also books and music.
We think of Henry VIII and the destruction of the monasteries, but that was not the end of the destruction, it marked the beginning. The Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Cranmer, hailed the reign of his son, the boy king Edward VI, as that of a new Josiah, destroyer of idols. After his coronation an orgy of iconoclasm was launched. In churches rood screens, tombs with their prayers for the dead, and stain glass windows, were smashed. The Elizabethan antiquarian John Stow complained, some of this Christian Taliban “judged every image to be an idol”, so that not only religious art, but even the secular thirteenth century carvings of kings in Ludgate were broken.
Books too were burned on a vast scale. Earlier this year Melvyn Bragg was on TV telling us about William Tyndale during the reign of Henry VIII, and the forces of Catholic conservatism blocking publication of his English bible with its attached Lutheran commentaries. But conservatives were not alone in wishing to suppress books that contained ideas they did not agree with. When the monasteries were suppressed.....
(Excerpt) Read more at catholicherald.co.uk ...
Only if you believe Jesus isn’t smart enough to know idols from art objects
Alas, PRAVDA lives.
Someone can take everything I have in this world and the Lord will provide for me and replace it all. Who cares what happens to the stuff of this life? Catholicism obviously!
If Catholics cared as much for the souls of others, and bringing them into a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, as they did for their dead saints on show in glass coffins, their lost art, and all the other godawful, horrible, ghastly stuff they venerate....heaven would be filled with believers at the end of this age.
Catholicism makes me want to vomit!! Never have I seen such a satanically inspired bunch of garbage in my life.
Seriously? I don’t think so.
Peter Ackroyd, a Catholic English biographer, have taken a relatively tolerant view of More’s campaign against Protestantism by placing his actions within the turbulent religious climate of the time, other equally eminent historians, such as Richard Marius, an American scholar of the Reformation, have been more critical, believing that persecutions—including what he perceives as the advocacy of extermination for Protestants—were a betrayal of More’s earlier humanist convictions. As Marius writes in his biography of More: “To stand before a man at an inquisition, knowing that he will rejoice when we die, knowing that he will commit us to the stake and its horrors without a moment’s hesitation or remorse if we do not satisfy him, is not an experience much less cruel because our inquisitor does not whip us or rack us or shout at us. . . More believed that they (Protestants) should be exterminated, and while he was in office he did everything in his power to bring that extermination to pass
Note More’s position as Chancellor was a civil position, but he enforced religious orthodoxy, showing the established nature of the Catholic Church.
“Papal Bull dated 14 October 1504, Fisher was appointed the Bishop of Rochester at the personal insistence of Henry VII.”
Papal appointment. Henry VII’s insistence. Again, you’re undermining your own claims. Clearly the monarch’s wishes had a role to play in what the pope did. Thus, the Church did not run the state. Nor did the state run the Church.
Please keep posting. You’re doing such a great job of destroying your own claims.
“Showing further the cooperation between church and state.”
Oh, no! Not that! The dreaded “cooperation”. How horrible for the state and Church - both of which have the duty of caring for the commonweal of men - to actually cooperate! Oh, the humanity!
“Meddling in government affairs.”
Oh, no! Not that! Not the dreaded “meddling”! Did that meddling come before the dreaded “cooperation” or after the Church running the state as you claimed earlier? Which is it?
“In November 1529, the “Long Parliament” of Henry’s reign began encroaching on the Catholic Church’s prerogatives.”
What????? The Church has “prerogatives” over its own affairs? Gee, doesn’t that mean that state and Church were not one?
You really have no idea of how to make an effective argument that actually marshals do you? Then again that’s pretty hard to do when the facts are not for your side at all.
I can't even prove that there is a God....but as far as your contention is concerned....to draw people away from the church that Jesus Christ, Himself, founded, and to have those lost souls increase to hundreds of millions over the centuries...cannot be a real good idea.
No kidding!
I have such disgust and revulsion for this sick religion I don’t even know where to start.
A “domestic uprising” of 40,000 men, alarmed over the despoliation of the Church. They died as martyrs.
“Once again, we see what is truly important to Catholics...their bling.”
Bling? So you would compare some of the greatest works of English Christian art and architecture to cheap jewelry worn by rappers? Doesn’t that tell us a lot more about you than it does about us?
“Give me a break!”
Why don’t you just make one for yourself? Do we have to give you all of our stuff?
Are you kidding me?????
Revulsion and disgust is all I feel for your sick religion that thinks it is okay to kill people because they don’t agree with you, but not okay to destroy your idols.
No wonder Catholics and Muslims get along so well....like and like!
Because listening to Catholics wail on about their lost art is sickening!
Do not a single one of you know what is truly important in this life?
It sure isn’t art or any other material thing on this planet.
...oh good, you're back,the immature point of view will now be reinstated...
Judging the mores and attitudes of the 116th Century by 21st century standards won’t wash. More’s attitudes were no different from other Catholics, who were treated the same way by Protestants. Only, with Protestants, it involved not just the desire for extermination, but also theft and destruction.
The biggest beam of all is in your eye, vlad, if you think for one moment anything of this life is worth a second’s worry. None of it will be in existence for long and it sure won’t carry over to the next world.
More and more every day, I see the petty concerns of this godawful religion called Catholicism. Satan has billions right where he wants them...straight on the road to hell.
“Someone can take everything I have in this world and the Lord will provide for me and replace it all. Who cares what happens to the stuff of this life? Catholicism obviously!”
So you have no insurance, right? No house insurance? No car insurance? No health insurance? I mean, if you don’t care “what happens to the stuff of this life” then you would be logically consistent and not insure anything, right?
“If Catholics cared as much for the souls of others, and bringing them into a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, as they did for their dead saints on show in glass coffins, their lost art, and all the other godawful, horrible, ghastly stuff they venerate....heaven would be filled with believers at the end of this age.”
No. We do, in fact, care about the souls of men - and that is exactly why all of the “dead saints on show in glass coffins, their lost art, and all the other godawful, horrible, ghastly stuff” are in our parishes, cathedrals and shrines. The people who cared for their own souls and those appointed to help them with that care built those shrines for men to see the saints, their relics, to pray, to worship, to receive the sacraments, and contemplate God.
“Catholicism makes me want to vomit!! Never have I seen such a satanically inspired bunch of garbage in my life.”
I think I have seen satanically inspired garbage - in your posts.
Catholicism makes me want to vomit!! Never have I seen such a satanically inspired bunch of garbage in my life.
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There’s nothing quite like civil discourse.
Moses had nothing to do with that calf. I think you’ll find he was with God getting the 10 commandments at the time the calf was being made.
Aaron was the one responsible for that abomination.
Glad you can see it that way, union.
They disgust me!
“Because listening to Catholics wail on about their lost art is sickening!”
So you chose to make yourself sick? I mean you’re sticking around and keep posting in this thread which you claim makes you sick. Does that make sense?
“Do not a single one of you know what is truly important in this life?”
Yes. Jesus Christ. And He established a Church - the Catholic Church. And we’re talking about Protestant thugs who abused the only Church they ever knew - the Catholic Church - and despoiled it to satisfy their own lusts and greed.
“It sure isn’t art or any other material thing on this planet.”
And yet you’re sitting at a computer (material thing), presumably in your home (material thing), posting in a thread you just said sickens you. I can’t take you seriously. Hypocrisy reduces credibility.
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