Posted on 10/09/2013 10:04:57 AM PDT by mlizzy
“Of course Satan can trick one, I agree, but couldn’t he also be tricking non-Catholics everywhere to not look into the Catholics bearing the stigmata because he could be the trickster behind it all?”
I doubt it. The Bible tells me not to look for signs and wonders, and I know Satan didn’t trick the writers to put that in there, so that is good enough for me. In fact, any church that insists on promoting such things, contrary to the Bible’s warning, is suspect in my mind.
Nope...Christians don't follow after signs...Sign are for the Jews...
We live by faith, not by sight...God will give signs for the Jews...There won't be any specifically for Christians...
No, Jesus is God, and God doesn’t have need of any help. That’s inherent in the definition of God. If God needed help, He wouldn’t be perfect, and so He wouldn’t be God.During Rick Santorum's run, we created a Facebook Page called "Adoration for Santorum," whereby people who joined up agreed to offer some of their Eucharistic Adoration time (that's time in a chapel where Christ is exposed in a monstrance), for Rick's campaign. We met the most prayerful people on that page. One such person was Cheryl McDonough, a young wife and mother (in her 40s) who had eight living children (one misscarry at 12 weeks), ranging from very young to one who was married with her own child.
Holly Elizabeth Wilborn What a role model. I didn't even know you, but I miss you so much. October 10, 2012 at 8:10pmOn the day she died (October 8, 2012), crying buckets of tears, not understanding why Christ would take such a saintly woman with such young children and a beautiful family, who was doing so much Good on this earth, (as a way of offering consolation) my husband replied, "maybe Jesus 'needed' Cheryl." Hence my reply to you.
“On the day she died (October 8, 2012), crying buckets of tears, not understanding why Christ would take such a saintly woman with such young children and a beautiful family, who was doing so much Good on this earth, (as a way of offering consolation) my husband replied, “maybe Jesus ‘needed’ Cheryl.” Hence my reply to you.”
That’s a nice way to console someone, I suppose, but it’s an emotional appeal, not a rationally sensible idea. One of the greatest things about God’s grace is that He doesn’t need any of us. His choice to save us is pure charity and love, unmotivated by any selfish concerns.
Prayer beads used in some islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.. even some protestants.....I would guess the occult/witches/ pagan religions use them too but that is just a guess... the Torah and Tanakh have nothing to do with beads... Mathew 6 -Savior’s how to chapter... how to pray- and how not to pray... vain repetitions like the heathen..... and when the namejots Fatima is closely associated with a beast like Islam as Mohammad’s daughter- flee flee flee.... fatima, Portugal wasnt just ‘picked’...
“As I said, they are two separate things, and the devotion is the issue, not love.”
Loving someone must entail some devotion (I do not mean the religious sense). If you love your wife, you’ll be devoted to her. You can be devoted to more than one person (e.g. wife and children).
“I am not engaging in any acts of religious devotion, no dulia, hyperdulia, latria, or whatever else you want to call it.”
So you don’t worship God? That’s latria. I DO engage in latria. . . and dulia . . . and hyperdulia. I worship God and honor the saints.
“Stop trying to confuse the issue. Love and religious devotion are two separate things.”
But we already know, don’t we, that you can love more than one person and be devoted to more than one person at the same time. I doubt you would deny that you can love your wife and kids at the same time. The same goes for devotion. Now, can you be religiously devoted to God and the saints at the same time? Yes, you just would be devoted to both in the same degree because God is different. Even in being devoted to and loving your wife or in being devoted to and loving your kids God has a role to play.
“All religious devotion belongs to God, and Scripture states many times that He is a jealous God, and that ALL glory and praise belongs to Him, and Him alone.”
So you don’t honor scripture then? If you honor scripture as being more than just a book, then you are not giving all religious devotion to God alone no are you?
“If you want to argue with that, take it up with God.”
Why would I do that when I clearly agree with Him and you apparently don’t?
“Arguing with me won’t accomplish anything, because I didn’t make the rules.”
No, you are making up rules. Again, are you devoted to scripture? Do you honor it?
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My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
She became the Mother of God, in which work so many and such great good things are bestowed on her as pass man’s understanding. For on this there follows all honor, all blessedness, and her unique place in the whole of mankind, among which she has no equal, namely, that she had a child by the Father in heaven, and such a Child . . . Hence men have crowded all her glory into a single word, calling her the Mother of God . . . None can say of her nor announce to her greater things, even though he had as many tongues as the earth possesses flowers and blades of grass: the sky, stars; and the sea, grains of sand. It needs to be pondered in the heart what it means to be the Mother of God.
(Commentary on the Magnificat, 1521; in Luther’s Works, Pelikan et al, vol. 21, 326)
Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem;
Creatorem caeli et terrae.
Et in Jesum Christum,
Filium eius unicum, Dominum nostrum;
qui conceptus est
de Spiritu Sancto,
natus ex Maria virgine;
passus sub Pontio Pilato,
crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus;
descendit ad inferos;
tertia die resurrexit a mortuis;
ascendit ad caelos;
sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis;
inde venturus est
iudicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum;
sanctam ecclesiam catholicam;
sanctorum communionem;
remissionem peccatorum;
carnis resurrectionem;
vitam aeternam. Amen.
In English:
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ,
his only Son, our Lord.
He was conceived
by the power of the Holy Spirit,
and born of the Virgin Mary,
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
He descended into hell.
On the third day he rose again;
he ascended into heaven,
he is seated at the right hand of the Father,
he will come again
to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy Catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen
“Your ancestors ate the manna in the desert, but they died;
this is the bread that comes down from heaven so that one may eat it and not die.
I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world.”
The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”
Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.
Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day.
For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink
Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever.”
These things he said while teaching in the synagogue in Capernaum
Then many of his disciples who were listening said, “This saying is hard; who can accept it?”
Since Jesus knew that his disciples were murmuring about this, he said to them, “Does this shock you?
What if you were to see the Son of Man ascending to where he was before?
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
But there are some of you who do not believe.” Jesus knew from the beginning the ones who would not believe and the one who would betray him.
And he said, “For this reason I have told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by my Father.”
As a result of this, many (of) his disciples returned to their former way of life and no longer accompanied him
Jesus then said to the Twelve, “Do you also want to leave?”
Simon Peter answered him, “Master, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life.
We have come to believe and are convinced that you are the Holy One of God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is not one of you a devil?”
He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot; it was he who would betray him, one of the Twelve.” [John 6: 49-71]
I like that, actually!
Do you have a point?
“Loving someone must entail some devotion (I do not mean the religious sense).”
Then why bring it up, if you admit you are not talking about religious devotion? It can only serve to confuse the issue.
“So you don’t worship God?”
Again, it seems you are either trying to twist my words, or just can’t appreciate context. I was speaking in the context of those living loved ones we were discussing. I give no dulia, hyperdulia, or latria to THEM.
“But we already know, don’t we, that you can love more than one person and be devoted to more than one person at the same time. I doubt you would deny that you can love your wife and kids at the same time. The same goes for devotion.”
The issue is not whether I can or cannot, the issue is whether I should, and whether, if I try to be religuously devoted to God and men at the same time, I would be able to give got the devotion he deserves and commands. I am saying I could not.
“So you don’t honor scripture then? If you honor scripture as being more than just a book, then you are not giving all religious devotion to God alone no are you?”
No, I don’t offer any religious devotion to the physical object. What it contains however, is the Word of God, and Christ is the Word, so whatever devotion I show to the Word, I am showing to God Himself. There is no dilution. Nice try, though.
So you post as you pray, eh??? Repetitiously...
I would add that most of the prayers used when saying the Rosary come straight from the Bible.
The two prayers used throughout are the “Our Father,” which Jesus himself instructed us to say, and the “Hail Mary,” more than half of which is taken directly from the words of the Archangel when he appeared to Mary: “Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.” The prayer adds the words Jesus to the biblical text, but I don’t think that is anything more than filling in the obvious.
Each decade ends with “Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, as it was in the beginning, is now, and shall be forevermore.” I think that’s unexceptionally in accordance with the Bible, too.
And the Rosary starts with the Apostles’ Creed, which I think most orthodox Protestants accept.
Also, you might take a look at the Wedding Feast of Cana. Jesus was not yet ready for his Public Life, but his mother came to him and asked him to change to water into wine. He agreed to do so, although the time was not yet. And he told the servants: “Do whatever she tells you.”
“I would add that most of the prayers used when saying the Rosary come straight from the Bible.”
I don’t think anyone has a problem with the parts that are taken from the Bible. The other parts are what cause the controversy.
Your religion probably actually teaches this...Why else would it be in your mind and your mouth???
No, it’s in the Bible.
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