Posted on 10/16/2013 8:48:30 AM PDT by NYer
Thanks NYer.
I can make it a “Catholic/SSPX Caucus” but the “Catholic Caucus” label excludes SSPX and Orthodox.
By the way, the caucus designations on this Religion Forum have to do with maintaining peace on the threads, e.g. limiting discussion. It is not a theological statement.
The SSPX is Catholic, just not very obedient and not very politic. But clearly validly ordained Catholic clergy. And yes, for many years an arguable ex-communication was in place, but that has been lifted.
Interesting but it doesn’t matter to the problem at hand. There are still Freepers who wish to call a Catholic Caucus that excludes SSPX (and Orthodox.)
How? I mean the SSPX is an organization of priests, I don’t think even one of them posts here. How would excluding people who do not post here mean anything?
By excluding SSPX I mean that the “Catholic Caucus” designation excludes anyone who does not recognize the present Pope and Papal Infallibility.
The SSPX explicitly recognizes both the Pope and all Dogmas of the Church, including the Vatican I declaration regards Papal Infallibility.
See http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2012/07/19/sspx-we-recognise-the-authority-of-the-pope/
I have to agree with narses and with anyone else who thinks that the SSPX is, at least for now, Catholic.
Their status is irregular, but their excommunications were lifted a few years back, and they recognize the pope as the Vicar of Christ.
Not sure what else would make them qualify.
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Those who want to have the Catholic Caucus include sedevacantists must use the term "Catholic/SSPX Caucus." And if they wish to include Orthodox as well, they must stipulate "Catholic/SSPX/Orthodox Caucus" or "Catholic/Orthodox Caucus" as the case may be.
“Those who want to have the Catholic Caucus include sedevacantists must use the term “Catholic/SSPX Caucus.”
Sedevacantists are not Catholic, the SSPX is NOT sedevacantist.
Please see RM’s comment at #50.
Be sure to include in the discussion whether to continue to exclude Orthodox and those who were baptized Catholic but do not currently consider themselves to be Catholic - both groups were considered in the original discussion and excluded to avoid disruptions and disagreements.
Be sure to include in the discussion whether to continue to exclude Orthodox and those who were baptized Catholic but do not currently consider themselves to be Catholic - both groups were considered in the original discussion and excluded to avoid disruptions and disagreements.
1 - The Orthodox are NOT Catholic,
2 - Those who no longer consider themselves to be Catholic are apostate and not Catholic,
3 - The SSPX is not apostate, not sedevacantist, not Orthodox and absolutely Catholic, validly ordained Catholic priests and Bishops.
It doesn’t matter to me how the caucus wants to label the cuts to include/exclude those who do/do not recognize the Pope and accept Papal Infallibility. It only needs to be consistent.
There is zero question that the SSPX recognizes the Pope, ditto Papal Infallibility. They are Catholic.
I’m wondering if it matters whether my wife and I (non-denominational 5 minute ceremony) are
“Catholic-married” or not — chaste well over 20 years — neither of us is going anywhere or will ever stray. Latin Mass attendees but so far abstain from Holy Communion. Maybe that isn’t necessary.
Have never seen a paragraph break like that when I didn’t put in html to cause it.
The definition, if you have described it with accuracy, is clear and the SSPX is Catholic.
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