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Convicted war criminal's funeral, scheduled at SSPX chapel in Rome, is not held
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| October 15, 2013
| Diogenes
Posted on 10/17/2013 6:47:15 AM PDT by NYer
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posted on
10/17/2013 6:47:15 AM PDT
by
NYer
To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...
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posted on
10/17/2013 6:48:15 AM PDT
by
NYer
("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
To: NYer
100 years old? That means he was born in 1913. When the Nazis took over in 1933 he was 20 years old—PRIME age for enlisting the mind of the disenfranchised, whether justified of not. Reminds me of the Liza Minelli film, with Joel Grey—great film.
To: NYer
Why would a Nazi want a church funeral?
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posted on
10/17/2013 7:07:51 AM PDT
by
Fiji Hill
To: NYer
Just shows that once you start dissenting, it quickly becomes apparent that you're just another protestant sect.
The SSPX refused the best offer they were ever going to get, from BXVI. They will get no similar offer from HH Francis.
So they will go steadily further and further off the rails, until they are as irrelevant as that idiot in Arizona or wherever who says HE's the Pope.
Too bad, because they could have strengthened the Church if they had only been willing to bend their stiff necks far enough to repent.
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posted on
10/17/2013 7:08:38 AM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
To: cloudmountain
Berlin Stories by Christopher Isherwood, which was adapted to Cabaret.
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posted on
10/17/2013 8:01:41 AM PDT
by
kabumpo
(Kabumpo)
To: NYer
Mercy and forgiveness or impossible sin?
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posted on
10/17/2013 8:20:19 AM PDT
by
ex-snook
(God is Love)
To: cloudmountain
the Liza Minelli film, with Joel GreyKind of gay, but entertaining. I liked the song Money Makes the World Go Round.
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posted on
10/17/2013 9:26:57 AM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Let your 'Yes' mean 'Yes,' and your 'No' mean 'No.' Matthew 5:37)
To: NYer
They should have said a few prayers at the cemetery and left it at that.
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posted on
10/17/2013 9:28:11 AM PDT
by
Jeff Chandler
(Let your 'Yes' mean 'Yes,' and your 'No' mean 'No.' Matthew 5:37)
To: NYer
I happen to believe that we need to be consistent. If we can hold a funeral for Kennedy (pro-abortion) then we can hold a funeral for a Nazi (pro-murder). Neither seemed to have publically recanted their non-Catholic beliefs.
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posted on
10/17/2013 2:22:08 PM PDT
by
piusv
To: piusv
I happen to believe that we need to be consistent. If we can hold a funeral for Kennedy (pro-abortion) then we can hold a funeral for a Nazi (pro-murder). Neither seemed to have publically recanted their non-Catholic beliefs. I follow your train of thought and agree that both crimes are equally reprehensible. The significant difference here is that we know the Nazi was not repentant, as per his attorney. We don't know what Kennedy said in private confession on his deathbed.
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posted on
10/17/2013 3:09:26 PM PDT
by
NYer
("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
To: NYer
I happen to think that both men should have re-canted publically due to the public nature of their sins.
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posted on
10/17/2013 4:29:46 PM PDT
by
piusv
To: piusv
Check the Sam Donaldson interview. Priebke admitted his crime. He said he was a Nazi until 1945 and was glad it was over. He said he didn’t want to carry out the order and he was sorry for the victims. Current reports state he had been suffering dementia and had been watching cartoons, so I would discount the “last testament”.
I don’t think Priebke converted to Catholicism until he was in Argentina.
Cradle Catholic, Ted Kennedy is a different story.
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posted on
10/17/2013 6:13:33 PM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: AnAmericanMother
Just shows that once you start dissenting, it quickly becomes apparent that you're just another protestant sect. I really can't see it that way, because the Church of the Vatican changed (modernized/progressed), abandoning centuries of tradition, whereas the SSPX and others stayed the same. From my vantage point it appears Francis' church is the protestant sect.
But personally I stick with the FSSP and diocese extraordinary forms, insulated from modern heresy as they are. Hope it stays that way.
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posted on
10/17/2013 6:22:52 PM PDT
by
steve86
(Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
To: steve86
I understand your position (I don't like a lot of the positions taken by modern bishops). On the other hand, if you read the
actual documents, there's not much there other than loopholes that would never have been taken advantage of without the
aggiornamento bishops.
The problem with the SSPX is that in order to deal with what they asserted was infidelity, they topped it with more infidelity. And that's where they fell down.
Thankfully, we have the FSSP. They have a church locally (with the full approval of our late archbishop, who dedicated it personally with the full and complete Latin rite) and they are straight-up orthodox shepherds.
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posted on
10/17/2013 6:43:12 PM PDT
by
AnAmericanMother
(Ecce Crucem Domini, fugite partes adversae. Vicit Leo de Tribu Iuda, Radix David, Alleluia!)
To: ex-snook
It's not possible to free a person from sin when they are hugging it with all their strength until the end.
If there was no repentance, he'd actually rejected forgiveness.
If carried through to the end, he has, literally damnably, and by his own free choice, pushed away his Savior --- and salvation.
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posted on
10/17/2013 6:44:13 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("Acquire the Holy Spirit, and then thousands around you will be saved. " - St. Seraphim of Sarov)
To: piusv; NYer
So you think it would be better to be
consistently bad, than to be "inconsistent" and do something morally upright for a change?
No, you can't mean that.
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posted on
10/17/2013 6:46:47 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("Acquire the Holy Spirit, and then thousands around you will be saved. " - St. Seraphim of Sarov)
To: piusv
Thee you go. That’s a good answer.
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posted on
10/17/2013 6:47:37 PM PDT
by
Mrs. Don-o
("Acquire the Holy Spirit, and then thousands around you will be saved. " - St. Seraphim of Sarov)
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