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Pope Francis describes ‘ideological Christians’ as a ‘serious illness’ within the Church
Opposing Views ^ | October 21, 2013 | Sarah Rae Fruchtnicht

Posted on 10/21/2013 9:32:05 AM PDT by armydoc

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To: Mrs. Don-o

“Almost a tautology” is actually a tautology.


81 posted on 10/21/2013 6:51:05 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Think of it this way.

Humans are animals. They are not JUST animals, but they are indeed animals.


82 posted on 10/21/2013 6:54:53 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: DManA

Oh dear. Seems like everything is a tautology these days.


83 posted on 10/21/2013 6:58:26 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mystery isn't something that is gradually evaporating. It grows along with knowledge. - F. O'Connor)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

The Enemy has us tied up in knots.


84 posted on 10/21/2013 7:08:52 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Jeff Chandler

Not me.


85 posted on 10/21/2013 7:33:18 PM PDT by MrChips (MrChips)
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To: DannyTN

From Rome Reports. Pretty reliable. At first I really liked this pope, but starting to have some serious doubts about him.

When the head of the Catholic Church starts saying Catholics shouldn’t say “memorized” prayers”, what is one to believe? No more rosary? Memorized prayers are part of the Tradition of the church. We have thousands of different prayers for every conceivable event. And of course we have personal prayers we say alone. What in the world is this man saying. Can a smarter Catholic than me help me out.

http://www.romereports.com/palio/pope-when-faith-becomes-an-ideology-it-can-make-christians-hostile-and-arrogant-english-11368.html#.UmX3HhCojFM


86 posted on 10/21/2013 9:22:17 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: MichaelCorleone

“....For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.”


87 posted on 10/21/2013 10:53:26 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: NKP_Vet

I’m a Baptist, so memorized prayers were never really part of our worship. Maybe the Lord’s prayer or quoting prayers from scripture, like the 23rd psalm or others. But mostly we go for honest normal communication with the Lord.

I don’t see anything wrong per se with the Catholic practice of memorized prayers unless it becomes a substitute for that honest communication with the Lord.

Scripture tells us “Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.” Better to ask specifically what you need than a memorized prayer that never gets specific.

And I think perhaps that’s what he’s telling you. Sounds like he’s calling for honest open communication with the Lord.


88 posted on 10/22/2013 12:44:16 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Who said the Incarnation and the Atonement are "ideologies"? Not Francis.

Dictionary definition of "ideology":

the body of doctrine, myth, belief, etc., that guides an individual, social movement, institution, class, or large group.

So, of course if one is to truly love Christ, they must be an idealogue; one must embrace, celebrate and defend the body of doctrine and belief of the Christian faith. Chief among these are the Christological "ideologies" such as the Incarnation an Atonement. This is especially important today, when these critical doctrines are under attack. A "Jesus is love; that's all you need to know" type message isn't going to cut it
89 posted on 10/22/2013 6:31:03 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: armydoc
OK, I get your point--- and you're right. It's important, too.

I would amend my own statement to say that creeds and doctrines are ideologies --- important , even God-given ideologies --- but the Faith can't be All Ideology.

What we are clinging to is not a creed or a doctrine "about" Christ, but the very Person of Christ. The Object of our Faith is an infinite, transcendent, Supreme Being who fills, yet surpasses all creeds and doctrines. Divine Mystery, by definition, exceeds --- infinitely exceeds--- creeds and doctrines.

You know I'm a doctrine gal. Ordinarily, I'm accused of being Missus Docrinaire!

90 posted on 10/22/2013 7:55:54 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Him we live and move and have our being." - Epimenides of Cnossos, 6th century BC)
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To: DannyTN

“Better to ask specifically what you need than a memorized prayer that never gets specific.”

Really Danny? You sure about that?

Romans 8:26

Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.


91 posted on 10/22/2013 8:14:42 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: armydoc
 
"Ideological Christianity is "an illness" that doesn't serve Jesus Christ. Instead, it "frightens" people and pushes them away from religion." Was this spoken by A: An atheist? B: An ex-christian? or C: Pope Francis?
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92 posted on 10/22/2013 8:20:30 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: MichaelCorleone
Yes I'm sure about that. That doesn't mean that we don't also want the Spirt praying on our behalf or leading us to conviction about what we should be praying for. Or that we shouldn't pray as Jesus demonstrated for us, "Not my will but thine.".

Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

93 posted on 10/22/2013 11:08:41 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

True, very true.


94 posted on 10/22/2013 12:00:08 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: armydoc

A FB friend of mine wrote on her Timeline that what she interpreted the Pope was saying was that he was referring to ‘right-wing’ ideological Christians. That is, those whose ideology was ‘rigid’ in that they held onto ‘anachronistic’ moral beliefs.

You know... that ‘outdated concept’ called ‘sin’?


95 posted on 10/22/2013 12:21:22 PM PDT by hoagy62 ("Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered..."-Thomas Paine. 1776)
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