Posted on 10/23/2013 5:48:47 AM PDT by Colofornian
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Visitors, seen and unseen, from the world beyond, are often close to us. This is part of eternity which we are living today – part of God’s plan. There is no veil to the Lord. (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p.35)
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Parley P. Pratt
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Again--How do the Saints expect the necessary information by which to complete the ministrations for the salvation and exaltation of their friends who have died?
By one holding the keys of the oracles of God, as a medium through which the living can hear from the dead.
Shall we, then, deny the principle, the philosophy, the fact of communication between worlds? No! verily no!
(Excerpt) Read more at emp.byui.edu ...
The Benson quote is typical of Mormon 'thin veil' theology...where Mormons typically are obsessed with the dead (for example, researching them, baptizing them, etc.) & "the dead" are actively watching over the Mormons' shoulders!
The Pratt citation shows how Mormons concede Joseph Smith was in essence a "medium" used to communicate "between worlds."
For a similar post on the "thin veil" -- see other FR thread today: Reviews [The OTHER World Series: 'The eyes of the dead are upon us' - ex-LDS 'prophet']
In this message, per the Pratt sermon:
Ye are assembled...and have laid these Corner Stones, for the express purpose that the living might hear from the dead, and that we may prepare a holy sanctuary, where "the people may seek unto their God, for the living to hear from the dead"...
The express purpose of the Mormon temple, says Parley Pratt, is that "the living" are to "hear from the dead."
Pratt said that the "spiritual philosophy of the present age" (spiritism/spiritualism had been introduced in the U.S. about five years prior) "was introduced to the modern world by Joseph Smith." And, he claimed, the real reason that Smith was killed was because Smith acted as "a medium of communication with the invisible world,whereby the living could hear from the dead."
Pratt emphasized how "ONE OF THE LEADING OR FUNDAMENTAL TRUTHS OF 'MORMON' PHILOSOPHY, viz. - 'That the living may hear from the dead' commenced thru Smith acting as a "medium."
There is no spirit world, Ghosts do not exist.
...Where the subject matter will be things like...
* Haunting manifestations @ Mormon temples
* Mormons & the Paranormal
* Mormonism's distinct lack of discernment of spirits
* "Familiar spirits"
* Demonic possessions & Mormons
* Joseph Smith & the occult
* Why is freemasonry, which Mormonism heavily borrowed from, tinged with occultic symbols and hidden practices?
* Joseph Smith, a medium?
* Mormons & Halloween
* October as a strange month for dark Mormon teachings in Lds history
* How Joseph Smith tended to unveil key new doctrines @ funeral messages
And just about all of the postings will be new sources...
The apostle Paul references demons as "air based"...demons disguise selves as "ghosts" & "spirits"
10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms (Eph. 3:10)
see also ephesians 6
***Visitors, seen and unseen, from the world beyond, are often close to us.***
Mormons believe that Mountain Meadows is a haunted place. The ghosts of the murdered innocents still lurk there.
Getting a place marker before the obligatory “you hater” post.
This thread is really creepy
Three years ago, FREEPER poster Livius told an account in a Sept. 10, 2010 post:
"I was driving across the country once many years ago and we arrived at a park with a campground in the late evening and decided to stop there for the night. We set up camp and went to bed almost immediately, because the place was somehow unpleasant. My kids didn’t sleep at all and I had to keep getting up and going to them, and in fact none of us could sleep. I woke up in a real panic in the middle of the night, something that never happens to me because I love going camping and I am not nervous at all. As soon as the faintest dawn broke, we got up and packed up and drove out of the camp. At the gate, we stopped and read the sign: Mountain Meadows. There was a brief description of what had happened on the site, but it wasn’t until later that I read the full story. However, that did explain our horrible night (and I’m not even a very “sensitive” person). It must have been awful."
Source: Sept. 10, 2010 post by Freeper Livius [Post #15]
In that same thread (post #22), Livius added:
It [Mountain Meadows Massacre location] is a very creepy site, and I knew nothing about it when I arrived, so it wasn't creepy because I somehow expected it to be so. I was in one other place once that had the same effect on me, and it did indeed turn out that someone had been murdered there by someone else who lived in the house and had never been brought to justice. So yes, I think the blood does cry out from the ground.
GhostTraveler.com had an entry (might still be there...didn't check) for Utah Ghosts that read as follows:
...North of St George - Mountain Meadows Massacre Memorial ...a bizarre and twisted tale of a group of Christian pioneers from Arkansas who...were slaughtered by a group of Mormons painted to look like Paiute Indians. Investigators said...there were actual Paiute Indians participating...the tribe officially dismisses this. Brigham Young, some sources say, gave the order to carry this atrocity out, in which 120 men women and children were brutally slaughtered and left to the desert critters...Several under the age of 7 or 8 were allowed to live, because most likely it was felt they wouldn't be able to give an account of the murders (they were recovered from several Mormon homes a few years later)...it was reportedly a bloodbath scene of Biblical proportions. A monument was erected by Army Brevet Major James H. Carleton, on which he had inscribed "Vengeance is mine: I will repay, saith the Lord". It lasted just long enough for Brigham Young to have it torn down again. This cycle has gone on for over a century, with monument after monument being desecrated...Anyway, on to the ghosts...
Livius is referencing the Lord's Words from Genesis 4:10:
And he said, What hast thou done? the voice of thy brother's blood crieth unto me from the ground.
Innocent blood can indeed call out to the Lord -- and those attuned by the Holy Spirit to hear.
And note these other related passages about innocent blood being shed -- and its tie to the land where that blood is shed:
Numbers 35:33-34
Isaiah 26:21
“Here is my post from the past....”
It is interesting that after the Mountain Meadows Massacre, many mormons believed the meadows were haunted and the spirits of the dead gathered there each night and re-enacted the massacre.
Some Mormons were so overcome with guilt they took to drink to relieve their guilt and told others of their torments because of their part in the MMM.
A young school teacher at St George named Spencer wasted to a skeleton and died after writing to his bishop and Brigham Young, pleading for some assurance that could drive away the tortures of remorse that haunted him.
Escaping mormons who fled Utah were quick to relieve their guilt-laden souls by confession.
13 posted on Saturday, October 30, 2010 11:19:00 AM by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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