Posted on 11/23/2013 8:42:02 AM PST by Colofornian
Following the distribution of the Jesus Christ/Joseph Smith DVD last month, there have been many conversations and opinions published online regarding the Christian outreach effort. One exchange took place on the Salt Lake Tribune’s public forum.
A Catholic woman, who believes in “love and charity to all” wrote to express her dismay over the DVD distribution, ending her letter with a kind hope that Latter-day Saints had been able to enjoy their Church’s General Conference despite the “sport” engaged in by “anti-Mormons.” Perhaps this was not the most charitable and loving letter “to all” in consideration of the nature of her concerns.
At any rate, this letter brought a thankful response from a Latter-day Saint who wrote:
As an active Latter-day Saint and a returned missionary, I have gotten in more than my share of arguments with the so-called “Christians” who feel a compulsion to build their own insecure beliefs (and yes, often they were insecure) by tearing others’ beliefs down. So when I read S.J. Moormeister’s kind comments (“Anti-LDS DVDs,” Forum, April 3) I was reminded why I always liked Catholics so much during my mission.Two years and I never once had a Catholic tell me I was going to hell for my beliefs; rather, they were always kind and generous to us. Ms. Moormeister does a service to herself and to the parish that she attends. Thank you so much for not participating in the bigotry that is so common these days. I did enjoy conference very much. Thank you again.
Matthew Call
Ephraim
Mr. Call’s experience with Catholic folk was perhaps more magnanimous than he realizes, given the historic position towards Catholicism expressed by LDS leaders through the years. Consider these public declarations offered without apology (then or now):
LDS Apostle Orson Pratt:
Q. Is the Roman Catholic Church the Church of Christ?
A. No: for she has no inspired priesthood or officers…
Q. How long since the Roman Catholic Church lost the authority and ceased to be the Church of Christ?
A. She never had authority and never was the Church of Christ…
Q. Who founded the Roman Catholic Church?
A. The Devil, through the medium of Apostates… (The Seer, 1854, 205)
LDS Apostle Daniel H. Wells:
I would rather preach the Gospel to a people who have not got any religion than I would to a people who have got a great deal of religion. You take the Catholic world. What impression can the truths of the Gospel make upon them as a people? Scarcely any impression at all. Why? Because they are satisfied with what they have got, which we know is an error, and which is not calculated to stem the tide of wickedness and corruption which floods the world. It never will convert the world to God or His Kingdom, or convey a knowledge of God unto the children of men, and it is life eternal to know Him, the living and true God. (Journal of Discourses 24:320, 1883)
LDS Apostle Hyrum M. Smith:
Christianity, as it is known in the world today, has fallen far short of the accomplishment of what might have been expected of it. It has failed in establishing those principles which Christ taught among the children of men. The great Catholic division of the Christian world, the Catholic church, is a national liability to any country. It wields a great power over the minds and the hearts of the children of men, but it is a power for evil rather than for good. It brings countless thousands regularly to confession; it rarely brings a single man to repentance and the abandonment of his sins. (Conference Report, October 1916, 42)
LDS President David O. McKay:
At one time it grieved me to know that this Church was not numbered among Protestant churches. But now I realize that the Church of Christ is more than a protest against the errors and evils of Catholicism.” (Conference Report, April 1927, 105)
LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie:
It is also to the Book of Mormon to which we turn for the plainest description of the Catholic Church as the great and abominable church. Nephi saw this “church which is most abominable above all other churches” in vision. He “saw the devil that he was the foundation of it” and also the murders, wealth, harlotry, persecutions, and evil desires that historically have been a part of this satanic organization. (Mormon Doctrine, 1958 edition, 130)
Apparently, sometime around 1960 LDS leadership decided they ought not to say these sorts of things in public if they want to make friends in the world. If Orson Pratt and David O. McKay, et. al., publicly expressed their religious convictions today, would we find the Anti-Defamation League releasing a statement condemning their remarks as “nothing more than [Catholic]-bashing… hate directed at all of us”? And would Mr. Call agree with that? I wonder if he would rebuke his Church leaders for “build[ing] their own insecure beliefs” by “tearing others’ beliefs down.”
(IoW, you don’t deny — or disagree with — ANY of the quotes made by Mormon leaders. Thanx for once again, confirming that since MormonISM is indefensible, only one route is left: Attack the poster!)
SInce protestants have said much the same and more against about the roman church, I don’t get your point other than to yet again bash mormons.
Perhaps you didn't read my post #2 -- where I forecasted comments like yours...and therefore addressed it ahead of it.
not really you pretty much said….whatever to those who would make the observation.
You of course didn’t address the question that I asked. Don’t worry you don’t have too because I already know the answer. If you spent nearly as much time bashing other religions that will keep one away from God it might be more interesting
Sure I did: You said in your last post: "SInce protestants have said much the same and more against about the roman church, I don’t get your point..."
If I said, "I think -- or I believe thus & thus about the Catholic church" -- that = a human based understanding of the Catholic church. It might be divinely guided; it might not be. At the very least I am not claiming the very words came direct from divine vocal chords.
When Mormon leaders make claims about the Catholic church, they claim they are not just uttering human understandings -- but that they are speaking for God Himself & that what they utter is tantamount to Scripture itself.
If you can't see that difference, don't know how to make that any plainer.
So, IF you are going to make claims about what Protestants have said about Catholics, you're going to have to
(a) be specific;
and (b) attach where they said, "Thus saith the Lord..."
you conveniently left of the important part of the question…which is that I asked if your point was only to bash mormons…
you are all to loose with your quotations
Correction gladly accepted.
What anti-mormon stuff has been posted?
In this case, the Q is: "What have Mormon leaders said about the Catholic church?"
Now, if you'd rather such questions be censored?
Or, if you don't think false statements should be exposed, your angle is highly understandable.
(Just let us know how consistent you are in that)
...bashing Mormons
Someone who exposes the homosexual agenda -- and where it falls short -- isn't "bashing" homosexuals.
Someone who exposes ObamaCare & its socialistic elements -- isn't "bashing" blacks.
Such reductionists like you would fit well in both liberal & MSM circles.
It’s to bash Mormonism. A worthy project, though the devil hates it.
‘Such reductionists like you would fit well in both liberal & MSM circles.”
Not hardly but keep thinking so.
Well, so far, ND up 14-7 in the first quarter.
ND has had the ball twice...
And the Mormon defensive backs have thus far been guilty of ...
...pass interference (#4)
...and facemask (#11)
Hmmm...I thought these Mormons were "gods-in-embryos"???
What kind of "gods" are guilty of these kinds of violations?
Well, #4 got yet another pass interference in that 2nd qtr...
What kind of Mormon football ethics do they digest in Provo?
Talk about fixation like Rahm Emanuel never let a crisis go to waste, well here we have never waste a chance flame endless animosity nor allow healing to take place...
Peacemaker does not exist in that soul!
Matthew 5:9
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
Oh, Shiz.......!
Oh, Zeezrom........!
Oh, Kolob.......!
I mean, gag me with a curelom!
Any place that a MORMON has the nerve to start spouting any of their HERESY will turn in to a BASH.
Bold
ANTIs
Spotlighting
Heresy
Surely MORMONs can get over whatever non-Mormons say about them.
What they CAN'T get over, is the thing that their very own #2 Living Prophet® said about them.
(Refer to reply #17 - this thread.)
Resty, long time no hear...
Welcome back to these Lds threads!
"Healing"?? Are you implying "healing" needs to take place 'tween Catholics & Mormons?
The Mormon Church has NEVER apologized for these remarks about the Catholic Church found in this post.
Uh; what question was that?
You first reply in this thread was at #22, and you asked NOTHING there.
Perhaps you had the invisible font turned on.
you conveniently left of the important part of the question…which is that I asked if your point was only to bash mormons…
You said it again; but there is NO question being asked.
You ARE, however, making a statement of opinion.
you are all to loose with your quotations
Beats being loose with your logic.
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