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Rush Limbaugh Doesn't Get Pope Francis
Catholic Answers ^ | December 4, 2013 | Trent Horn

Posted on 12/05/2013 6:26:41 AM PST by NYer

In a recent segment on his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh talked about the pope’s new apostolic exhortation Evangelii Gaudium. I don’t have the space to address everything Limbaugh said, but what struck me was his mischaracterization of Pope Francis's comments about economics.

The fundamental problem was that Limbaugh chose to quote not what Pope Francis wrote but a Washington Post article on the exhortation, which stated:

Pope Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as "a new tyranny" and beseeched global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality, in a document on Tuesday setting out a platform for his papacy and calling for a renewal of the Catholic Church. . . . In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money."

Limbaugh responded by saying, “This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope. Unfettered capitalism? That doesn't exist anywhere. 'Unfettered capitalism' is a liberal socialist phrase to describe the United States.”

Comrade Francis?

Granted, it takes hours to read this massive document but, for someone whose words are heard by millions of people, before calling the pope a "Marxist" a simple use of the control+F function would have been warranted. If Limbaugh had done that, he would have found that the phrase “unfettered capitalism” does not appear in Evangelii Gaudium.

Neither is the global economy the main theme of this exhortation; rather, it's only one area where Pope Francis is calling on the Church to evangelize the world. He describes specific financial and cultural challenges facing the human community and then addresses the temptations of pastors who must face these challenges. Nowhere does the Pope blame humanity’s woes on the concept of the free market or demand a Marxist government to save mankind.

A Betrayal of John Paul II?

Limbaugh later said, “[J]uxtaposed against the actions of Pope John Paul II, this pope and the things that he released yesterday or recently are really striking.”

No, they aren’t. In his 1991 encyclical Centesimus Annus, Pope John Paul II reflected on socialism and capitalism in light of the recent fall of the Soviet Union. Although he acknowledged that profit has a “legitimate role” in the function of a business and that “the Marxist solution” to economic inequality had failed, he also spoke of the “inadequacies of capitalism” and said that profit is the not the only indicator that a business is doing well. The human dignity of workers matter too, and if capitalism is left unchecked it becomes “ruthless” and leads to “inhuman exploitation.” Pope Francis's words are consistent with John Paul's.

Limbaugh continued:

You talk about unfettered, this is an unfettered anti-capitalist dictate from Pope Francis. And listen to this. This is an actual quote from what he wrote. "The culture of prosperity deadens us. We are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase. In the meantime, all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle. They fail to move us." I mean, that's pretty profound. That's going way beyond matters that are ethical. This is almost a statement about who should control financial markets. He says that the global economy needs government control.

But the Pope is not saying that. He is saying that a global economy needs global control, not government control in the form of some creepy one-world government that runs everything. Pope Francis said, “If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation [emphasis added], ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few (206).”

A Complex Question

The Church teaches that the dignity of the human person and the management of global economies is more complex than just choosing "capitalism" over "socialism/communism." What is required is an approach that respects individual freedom without allowing that freedom to become some all-consuming monster that tramples the weak and poor.

In Centesimus Annus, Pope John Paul II was asked if capitalism should be the dominant economic model in light of the fall of the USSR. His answer is insightful, and I think it's an excellent parallel to Pope Francis's attitude on the subject. Pope John Paul II said:

The answer is obviously complex. If by "capitalism" is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a "business economy," "market economy" or simply "free economy." But if by "capitalism" is meant a system in which freedom in the economic sector is not circumscribed within a strong juridical framework which places it at the service of human freedom in its totality and sees it as a particular aspect of that freedom, the core of which is ethical and religious, then the reply is certainly negative.

The reality is that the Catholic Church, and Pope Francis included, cannot simply say it is for or against capitalism. It’s a complex question. While the Washington Post said Pope Francis issued a “decidedly populist teaching” the Pope said in Evangelii Gaudium that he was not arguing for “an irresponsible populism,” or a solution that naively pits the poor against the rich (204).

On the other hand, while the Pope might agree with Limbaugh that Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” can lift some people out of poverty, it can also strangle the life out of the poor, and so the Pope says in that same paragraph that we can no longer trust the market alone to ensure that all people are treated with dignity.

In closing, I think that the following paragraph from the Pope’s exhortation is something that should be mailed to Limbaugh and maybe we can turn down the heat just a little bit:

If anyone feels offended by my words, I would respond that I speak them with affection and with the best of intentions, quite apart from any personal interest or political ideology. My words are not those of a foe or an opponent. I am interested only in helping those who are in thrall to an individualistic, indifferent and self-centered mentality to be freed from those unworthy chains and to attain a way of living and thinking which is more humane, noble and fruitful, and which will bring dignity to their presence on this earth (208).



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: capitalism; liberationtheology; limbaugh; marxism; marxists; pope; popefrancis; rushlimbaugh; rushpope; talkradio
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To: ZX12R

He said this: Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise ANY form of control.

He said nothing about redistribution.

Do you support capitalism without ANY controls?


101 posted on 12/05/2013 9:12:29 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: TexasCajun
The Catholic Church also seems to be one of the biggest supporters of Amnesty for illegal immigrants.

There's pure self-interest in play there, since the South American illegals are likely to be dues-paying Catholic church members.

102 posted on 12/05/2013 9:14:42 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: cherry

Hispanic Catholics voted for Obama 3 to 1 and in a higher proportion the 2nd time around, when most other groups’ support for Obama went down. The Pope comes from an extremely liberal ethnic group.


103 posted on 12/05/2013 9:17:55 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: cothrige
It would be analogous to the chairman of the Federal Reserve publishing a document on how surgeons should use anaesthesia.

Perhaps it's even worse. His exhortation is causing an uproar in part because of its lack of balance, and seems to reveal a bias on his part. Had he specifically pointed out the evils inherent in systems where deprivation of freedom has led to poverty and death, his warning regarding the risk of greed and excess becoming paramount in a free market system might have been more well received.

Unfortunately, by attacking "unfettered captalism" - a boogeyman because it doesn't exist - he has provided the enemies of the Church (such as obama) with a fresh opportunity to promote their marxist agenda, this time replete with papal quotes.

104 posted on 12/05/2013 9:22:06 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Salvation

Whether it’s “one area” or the “main theme” is irrelevant. He said it and we can analyze it.


105 posted on 12/05/2013 9:22:13 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: SumProVita
Do you support capitalism without ANY controls?

If the choice is between uncontrolled capitalism and complete control communism. You better believe I'd support it.
106 posted on 12/05/2013 9:24:20 AM PST by ZX12R (Never forget the heroes of Benghazi, who were abandoned to their deaths by Obama)
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To: RIghtwardHo
Limbaugh needs to go away. He is a faux expert who most assuredly does NOT speak for the Savior.

Is it physically impossible for the Catholic church to elect a pope who ever says anything that's incorrect? Perhaps we should let them each write new testaments to the bible if we're so sure they speak for God.

107 posted on 12/05/2013 9:30:18 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: chris37

The Pope’s Gospel message was almost 300 pages long. 99% of it was sharing the Word of God and how we can best serve our fellow man. Less than 1% mentioned economics, but of course that’s what the Catholic bashers want to concentrate on.

Pay no attention to those whose politics informs their religion rather than the other way around. The weed of heresy ALWAYS bears bitter fruit and you will note that virtually all of the anti-+Francis crowd are heretics of one stripe or another.


108 posted on 12/05/2013 9:31:27 AM PST by NKP_Vet (God Bless Pope Francis)
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To: ZX12R

I understand what you are trying to compare here....but the question was whether or not one supports capitalism without ANY controls?


109 posted on 12/05/2013 9:31:39 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: NKP_Vet

Is IS interesting, isn’t it....how the great wealth of good in this message is being ignored...often by those who most need to hear it.

;-(


110 posted on 12/05/2013 9:35:02 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: miss marmelstein

No


111 posted on 12/05/2013 9:36:38 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: JediJones

Ever heard of Catholic Charities? Ever heard of the Knights of Columbus?


112 posted on 12/05/2013 9:37:40 AM PST by NKP_Vet (God Bless Pope Francis)
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To: miss marmelstein

Looking at your homepage on FR. Are you aware that John Wayne became a Catholic on his deathbed?


113 posted on 12/05/2013 9:37:49 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Have you read the entire exhortation?

If not, then how can you criticize, for you do not know what it really says and where it was mistranslated.


114 posted on 12/05/2013 9:39:42 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

You have proven today what a hypocrite you are. You owe Rush an apology for gossiping.


115 posted on 12/05/2013 9:42:44 AM PST by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
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To: C. Edmund Wright; RichInOC

Yeah, why smear capitalism as only working if people act in a moral fashion. What system works when people act immorally within it? Capitalism actually requires us to depend the least on the virtue of others, since the profit motive doesn’t require people to be generous to do stuff for you and competition filters the liars and lazy out of the lines of production.


116 posted on 12/05/2013 9:43:31 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: RIghtwardHo

You got it right! He has lied before and he will lie again when it suits his prerogative.

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AjnjYAneHJelHYEkX7B3RoObvZx4?p=limbaugh+medication&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&fr=yfp-t-170


117 posted on 12/05/2013 9:45:41 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: steelhead_trout
Any economic “ism” will foster a nation’s prosperity, so long as that nation remains true to God’s word and supportive of His people.

No it won't. This is why the early Pilgrims in America abandoned socialism for private property and free market capitalism. They were starving under socialism. Their morality never changed.

118 posted on 12/05/2013 9:45:42 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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To: Salvation; miss marmelstein

And John Wayne has a grandson who is now a priest.

;-)


119 posted on 12/05/2013 9:46:56 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

Capitalism has nothing to do with justice. You can lock people up for commiting murder, rape and theft under any economic system. If he’s using “justice” as the standard liberal code word for income redistribution, then that’s Exhibit A in Rush’s corner.


120 posted on 12/05/2013 9:48:59 AM PST by JediJones (The #1 Must-see Filibuster of the Year: TEXAS TED AND THE CONSERVATIVE CRUZ-ADE)
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