Why Some Christians Don't Celebrate Christmas

United Church of God, an International Association ^ | Jerold Aust

[narses]

Many feel that Christmas marks Christ's birthday and that it honors Him. After all, can 2 billion professing Christians be wrong? At the same time, some few Christians don't observe Christmas, believing that Jesus didn't sanction it and that it dishonors Him. Who is right—and why?

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[narses]

A study in what happens when schismatics break apart.

The United Church of God, an International Association is just a few years old (founded in 1995) but tries to act like they are the one, true and Catholic Church. See http://www.ucg.org/about/ for their own words..."The United Church of God, today active with congregations in more than 50 countries, began as a formal assembly in 1995..."

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[Fiji Hill]

The United Church of God, which seems to be a spinoff of Herbert W. Armstrong’s Worldwide Church of God, adheres to a number of beliefs that differ considerably from Roman Catholicism and traditional Protestantism.

[Alex Murphy]

A study in what happens when schismatics break apart.

400,000 independent Catholic denominations can't be wrong!

[RichInOC]

I celebrate it because I like joyous occasions, and God coming to earth as man to do what He did is...kind of cool.

Aside from that, sorry, I don’t mean to be unkind but...who are these guys?

[Salvation]

There are not 400,000 Catholic denominations.

Where are you getting that number. Source please.

[narses]

http://www.ucg.org/about/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_God

[narses]

And the fakes come out in force! Making stuff up again?

[RichInOC]

Yeah, I saw Fiji Hill’s post and also Googled.

The Worldwide Church of God is still (sort of) a thing? Who knew?

[Salvation]

Try SEVEN, yes, seven Catholic rites underneath the Pope!

 

RITE	CHURCHES THAT USE THIS RITE	ORIGINAL LITURGICAL LANGUAGE	PATRIARCH	POINT OF ORIGIN
1.ROMAN	All Roman Catholics	Latin	Bishop of Rome	Rome
MOZARABIC	Archdiocese of Toledo Spain	Latin	Bishop of Rome	Spain
AMBROSIAN	Archdiocese of Milan, Italy	Latin	Bishop of Rome	Milan
BRAGAN	Archdiocese of Braga, Portugal	Latin	Bishop of Rome	Braga
DOMINICAN	Dominican Priests	Latin	Bishop of Rome	St. Dominic
CARMELITE	Carmelite Priests	Latin	Bishop of Rome	St. Berthold
CARTHUSIANS	Carthusian Priests	Latin	Bishop of Rome	St. Bruno
2. BYZANTINE	Belarussian	Old Slavonic		Belarussia
	Bulgarian	Old Slavonic	Apostolic Exarch for Catholics of the Byzantine-Slav rite in Bulgaria	Bulgaria
	Croatian	Old Slavonic	Bishop of Kricevci	Croatia
	Greek	Greek	Apostolic Exarch for Catholics of the Byzantine rite in Greece	Greece
	Hungarian	Greek	Bishop of Hajdudorog, Apostolic Administrator of Miskolc	Hungary
	Italo-Albanian	Greek	Local Latin Bishop	Italy
	Melkite	Greek	Melkite Greek Patriarch of Damascus	Syria/Lebanon/Israel
	Romanian	Romanian	Archbishop of Fagaras and Alba Julia	Romania
	Russian	Old Slavonic	Apostolic Exarch in Russia	Russia
	Ruthenian	Old Slavonic	Bishop of Mukacevo of the Byzantines	Ukrania
	Slovakian	Old Slavonic	Bishop of Presov of Catholics of the Byzantine rite	Slovakia
	Ukrainian	Old Slavonic	Major Archbishop of Lviv of the Ukranians	Ukrania
3.ALEXANDRIAN	Coptic	Coptic	Patriarch of Alexandria of the Copts	Egypt
	Ethiopian	Ge'ez	Archbishop of Addis Ababa of the Ethiopians	Ethiopia/Somalia
4. SYRIAC	Syriac		Syriac Patriarch of Antioch	Syria
	Malankarese	West Syriac	Metropolitan of Trivandrum of the Syro-Malankarese	India
5. ARMENIAN	Armenian	Classical Armenian	Patriarch of Cilicia of the Armenians	Armenia
6. MARONITE	Maronite	Aramaic	Maronite Patriarch of Antioch	Lebanon
7. CHALDEAN	Chaldean	Syriac	Patriarch of Babylon of the Chaldeans	Iraq
	Malabar	Syriac	Major Archbishop of the Malabar rite	India

[Salvation]

Ukrainian (Catholic) Church an example of 'synodality' for Pope
Traditional Rites in Union Now with the Catholic Church
Catholic conservatives: A traditionalist avant-garde
The Rites of the Catholic Church [Catholic Caucus]
One and Many Churches (origins of the Church)
THE RITES OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH -- There are many!
(Cardinal) Newman on Rites and Ceremonies

[narses]

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[Nifster]

Any one who has studied history knows that Jesus was NOT born in the cold and freezing month of December….more likely in September around the time of Yom Kippur. The celebrations by the pagans of the winter solstice led the church to incorporate those celebrations into its system to gain support.

Those are the facts of history.

I enjoy Christmas time because it has become by tradition a time to celebrate, spend time with friends and family, and to ponder the wonder of God

[smvoice]

WHAT were you thinking, man? You’ve just unleashed 2 billion (or 15, depending on your perspective) angry, purse-lipped vehicles of mass obstruction around here. Quick, smoke them slowly (you do have an incense burner?) until they calm down.

[Gamecock]

There are not 400,000 Catholic denominations.

Source.

[Salvation]

LOL == the main page of FR?

[RegulatorCountry]

Where do the FR sedevacantists, Lefevbrists, SSPX and radical traditionalists who denounce Vatican II fit in there?

[Gamecock]

No, FR in general.

We have been told as much by members of the FRoman Catholic faith group.

[smvoice]

Where do the “charismatic” Catholics fit in there? Are they an independent group or a subset of one of the seven you gave?

[Uri’el-2012]

I will explain with the help of the WORD of G-d through the
illumination of the Holy Spirit, who was sent to all mankind
to help us come to Know the Holy WORD of G-d.

Chanukah is a great time for followers of the Jewish Messiah to celebrate.
The eight day Feast of Chanukah echoes of the eight days of the Feast of Tabernacles
Chanukah was most likely when the "light of the world"
(John 8:12) entered human form and tabernacled among us.

Feast of Tabernacles is the birth day of Yah'shua.

This question is answered when you believe and trust
the Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1.

Yah'shua's birth on Sukkot
(Sukkot is the Feast of Tabernacles or booths,
where we live in temporary shelters.
Sukkot is when YHvH took on a temporary
garment to be with His People
and to die as the Lamb of G-d on Pesach
in order to bring salvation to all
who would call on His NAME:
(Romans 10:13 & Joel 2:32)
Yah'shua ( YHvH is/be my salvation)).

Exod. 15:2; 1 Sam. 2:1; 2 Sam. 22:47;
Ps. 18:2, 46; 27:1; 35:9; 38:22; 88:1;
118:14; 119:174; 140:7; Isa. 12:2; 56:1;
61:10; Mic. 7:7; Hab. 3:18

Sukkot as the date is supported by Elizabeth's
pregnancy of John the Immerser.
The time sequence is outlined by the
Holy Word of Elohim in Luke 1 with Zacharias.

Zacharias served as a high priest and
based on his tribe, we know when he served
(1 Chronicles 24:7-18) and when he was
struck dumb and when John was conceived.

John would have been born on Pesach.
Most Jews believed that Elijah
would come at Pesach to announce
the coming of the Messiah (Malachi 4:5).

Factor in when Miriam visited her cousin Elizabeth,
Elizabeth was six months pregnant (Luke 1:26)
Thus the timing of Yah'shua's birth can be ascertained.

John (1:14) tells us that Yah'shua was made flesh
and tabernacled among us.

The word "dwelt" in the Koine Greek is:

σκηνόω Strong's G4637 - skēnoō
1) to fix one's tabernacle,
have one's tabernacle,
abide (or live) in a tabernacle (or tent),
tabernacle
2) to dwell

Eight days after the beginning of Sukkot is
another Holy Feast Day called Shemini Atzeret.

Eight days after a Jewish male is born he is circumcised.

After the Eighth day comes the the most Joyous day:
Simchat Torah or
the rejoicing in the Torah (The WORD of Elohim).

Nine months back from Sukkot is Chanukah
where the light entered the temple.

Biblical Dates for the Birth of Yochanan the Immerser
and for the Conception and Birth of Yeshua HaMashiach

Seek the YHvH in His WORD.

See Psalm 118

8 It is better to take refuge in YHvH Than to trust in man.

9 It is better to take refuge in YHvH Than to trust in princes.

14 YHvH is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach