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Was Peter a Pope?
Just For Catholics ^

Posted on 12/13/2013 11:31:40 AM PST by Gamecock

Copyright Dr Joe Mizzi. Permission to copy and distribute this article without textual changes.

Question: Jesus installed Peter as the chief steward or prime minister under the King of kings by giving him the keys to the kingdom. As can be seen from Isaiah 22:22, kings appointed a chief steward to serve under them in a position of great authority to rule over the inhabitants of the kingdom. Jesus quotes almost verbatim from this passage in Isaiah, and so it is clear what he has in mind. Christ appointed Peter to lead them and guide the flock (John 21:15-17).

Answer: Christ gave Peter authority in the church and he was certainly a prominent leader. Peter is consistently mentioned first in the list of the apostles; he is often their spokesman; and he had the privilege of first preaching the Gospel to the Jews at Pentecost and then to the Gentiles at Cornelius' house.

Peter was prominent, yet that is not sufficient to prove that he was pope. The bishop of New York is more prominent than the bishop of Malta, yet the former does not exercise authority over the latter. Prominence is different from primacy and predominance.

To prove the papacy, you must show that Peter was the head of the apostles and that he exercised full, immediate and universal power in the Church. For that is exactly what is claimed by Rome:

"The office uniquely committed by the Lord to Peter, the first of the Apostles, and to be transmitted to his successors, abides in the Bishop of the Church of Rome. He is the head of the College of Bishops, the Vicar of Christ, and the Pastor of the universal Church here on earth. Consequently, by virtue of his office, he has supreme, full, immediate and universal ordinary power in the Church, and he can always freely exercise this power" (The canon law, 331).

It is evident that Christ gave authority to the apostle Peter. "And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven" (Matthew 16:19). At issue is whether this authority was unique to Peter. Evidently it was not, for soon afterwards Jesus gave exactly the same authority to all the apostles, "Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven" (Matthew 18:18). Hence Peter had an authority similar to the other apostles, and not an authority over them.

The apostles did not understand Jesus' words in Matthew 16 as Roman Catholics interpret them. If He made him 'chief steward' and 'prime minister' and 'the head of the college of bishops', why is it that even up to the day before Christ suffered, they were still arguing among themselves who should be considered the greatest? (Luke 22:24-26). Jesus' reply is very significant. He did not remind them what He told Peter at Caesarea Philippi, but simply scolded them for their pagan-like reasoning. "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them...but not so among you." Peter knew nothing of the "supreme, full, immediate and universal ordinary power" over the other apostles and the church. Ironically, later on in history, the bishops of Rome - who were supposedly the successors of Peter - strove and fought to gain lordship over the universal church.

Again, it is true that Jesus commissioned Peter to feed the sheep (John 21:15-17). However, this was not a unique office committed to Peter alone. The apostle Paul tells the elders of Ephesus, "Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood" (Acts 20:28). The apostle Peter himself says, "The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock; and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away." (1 Peter 5:1-4). The elders are called to feed the sheep too.

You refer to Isaiah 22:22. "The key of the house of David I will lay on his shoulder; so he shall open, and no one shall shut; and he shall shut, and no one shall open." As a matter of fact this verse is quoted "almost verbatim" in the New Testament, specifically in Revelation 3:7 and not in Matthew 16. "These things says He who is holy, He who is true, He who has the key of David, He who opens and no one shuts, and shuts and no one opens" The key of the house of David is in the hand of Christ, not Peter!

Rome would make Peter the "supreme pastor" or chief shepherd of the church (Catechism, para. 857). Peter himself would never usurp the title of His Master. Jesus Christ alone is "the Chief Shepherd" of the church (1 Peter 5:4).


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1 posted on 12/13/2013 11:31:40 AM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock

Ah, no.
He was a Jew.


2 posted on 12/13/2013 11:32:24 AM PST by Zathras
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To: Gamecock

What about James as the first head of the church?


3 posted on 12/13/2013 11:34:30 AM PST by morphing libertarian
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To: Gamecock

Yes, he was the first pope


4 posted on 12/13/2013 11:34:50 AM PST by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Gamecock

These are weak arguments ex post facto.


5 posted on 12/13/2013 11:36:46 AM PST by frogjerk (We are conservatives. Not libertarians, not "fiscal conservatives", not moderates)
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To: Zathras

And so was Christ. Peter was the first Pope.


6 posted on 12/13/2013 11:37:58 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: frogjerk
These are weak arguments ex post facto.

Now that is funny.

7 posted on 12/13/2013 11:39:56 AM PST by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: Gamecock

I always thought so.


8 posted on 12/13/2013 11:39:58 AM PST by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: Gamecock

According to Eusebius (the earliest catholic church historian) the first Bishop of Rome was Linus and Peter was never Bishop of Rome.


9 posted on 12/13/2013 11:40:50 AM PST by circlecity
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To: Gamecock

Was Peter a Pope?


Maybe, maybe not... but he was jewish, married, not too smart and liked to fish..

Some say he started a religion/business in Rome...
and somebody stole his business from him.. which is just a rumor..

would make a good novel, really..


10 posted on 12/13/2013 11:43:56 AM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: circlecity

I fact, it was Paul who was given the responsibility of taking the gospel to the Gentile nations. Peter never stepped foot in Rome, as far as I know. However, we will never convince the Catholics that Peter was NOT the first pope - this is something they will have to seek out for themselves,and that means reading the Bible for themselves - not taking anyone’s word at face value - regardless of whether it is a Catholic or Protestant.


11 posted on 12/13/2013 11:45:04 AM PST by Catsrus (A)
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To: Gamecock

If Peter was the first Pope, who was the second?


12 posted on 12/13/2013 11:45:10 AM PST by AU72
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To: Gamecock
Yes!

"Upon this rock I will build my church."

13 posted on 12/13/2013 11:45:17 AM PST by OldNavyVet
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To: circlecity

“Bishop of Rome” isn’t the title authority of the Pope, That’s simply the headquarter location of his diocese. The key to Peter is just that... the Keys. It’s Peter’s primacy and succession that matters.


14 posted on 12/13/2013 11:45:17 AM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Gamecock

Not that he knew. All of the Apostles would likely have been horrified at the thought of being part of the State Religion of Rome, which was pagan and completely against them.


15 posted on 12/13/2013 11:47:07 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Gamecock
Christ gave Peter authority in the church and he was certainly a prominent leader. Peter is consistently mentioned first in the list of the apostles; he is often their spokesman; and he had the privilege of first preaching the Gospel to the Jews at Pentecost and then to the Gentiles at Cornelius' house. Peter was prominent, yet that is not sufficient to prove that he was pope. The bishop of New York is more prominent than the bishop of Malta, yet the former does not exercise authority over the latter. Prominence is different from primacy and predominance. To prove the papacy, you must show that Peter was the head of the apostles and that he exercised full, immediate and universal power in the Church.

Ping for later

16 posted on 12/13/2013 11:49:32 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Gamecock

Didn’t the apostles get into an argument over who was greatest and were told that the least of you will be the greatest?


17 posted on 12/13/2013 11:51:33 AM PST by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: morphing libertarian

Paul as the leader of the Gentile church.

Act 9:15

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

Act 9:16

For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.

1Cr 3:10

According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

Rom 15:16

That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Act 13:47

For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

Gal 2:7

But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

Gal 2:8

(For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles:)

Gal 2:9

And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.


18 posted on 12/13/2013 11:52:36 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need 7+ more ammo. LOTS MORE.)
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To: AU72
If Peter was the first Pope, who was the second?

St. Linus

19 posted on 12/13/2013 11:53:18 AM PST by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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To: Gamecock

NO


20 posted on 12/13/2013 12:06:31 PM PST by DungeonMaster
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