Posted on 01/11/2014 9:39:05 AM PST by mlizzy
All of us who are traditional Catholics feel strongly about what is happening in the Catholic Church. What I mean is the strong progressive, modernist agenda of telling us to be silent about the intrinsic evil of abortion, homosexual activity, birth control, divorce and modesty. This agenda is being imposed on most Catholics.
I bring this issue up, because these are extremely important moral issues that need to be addressed for the well being of our society. How can anyone ever be for the murder of the unborn babies? Any rational person, without prejudices, knows that abortion kills unborn human beings at a stage we all went through to be born. How can anyone in their right mind condone this?
But, as you have all noticed, whenever we bring up these good, sane, Catholic morals, they almost instantaneous cause negative responses. It is as if the devil gets to work instantly and hostility is manifested.
I preached about the child that was saved from abortion at Holy Mass today. Right off I have to be concerned about angry people, simply because I mentioned the “abortion” word in church. I know this because it has happened to me so many times.
Now, what I have also noticed, is that this same exact intense negative reaction also comes about as soon as you bring up anything about the Holy Latin Mass. It is almost the exact same reaction as that which comes from those who are in support of abortion, birth control, homosexual sex, immodesty and divorce.
Yet, even with this negative reaction, we still need to share the beauty and power of the Holy Latin Mass along with voicing the evil of abortion and the other serious sins that are destroying our society today.
What is it about the Holy Latin Mass that it also brings up the same sentiments in Catholics like those angry sentiments of pro abortion advocates?
I contend that it is the devil and the influence of the world on most Catholics. Just like the devil hates life and therefore promotes abortion, he also hates the Holy Latin Mass and promotes a watered down version.
We are so fortunate to know this and must get used to the same old trick of the devil, an angry response and getting in trouble. He will always have his friends to fight for the murdering of babies and getting rid of the Holy Sacred Sacrifice of the Mass. Latin and the Sacred Sacrifice of the Holy Mass destroy the power of the devil. For this reason he hates Latin and the Holy Mass.
First of all, no one takes attendance. I don’t go to Mass within my parish boundaries. I think I asked once and whomever I asked said no problem. I get envelopes from the parish I choose.
I would personally explain to this ‘priest’ that his job is to save souls. Not worry about weather the government steals from one to better another. And since he has no worldly knowledge about health insurance and the fact that health insurance and health care are two different things I would suggest that he sticks with morals and STFU otherwise.
You can chose as to how tactful you care to be. Lots of large checks with VOID written on the front can help.
I was again praying in the Blessed Sacrament Chapel when a mother and three of her daughters wearing pretty tight pants entered. There was a young man too. They knelt and began to read the 5 minute booklet. I was just finishing up and wondered if I should say anything. I wonder if it is prudent to say anything? I wonder will it make any difference anyway?:) http://www.traditionalcatholicpriest.com/2014/01/03/a-tiny-traditional-catholic-priest-against-a-tidal-wave-of-immodesty/
Anyway I was moved to say, “Good afternoon, I just want to tell you that women should wear dresses like Our Lady Mary.” They look at me in surprise, but the mother said “Oh” and smiled. Who knows what will come of this, but I am going to try to go against the tidal wave of immodesty.
We need to tell women to dress as women and men dress as men. Let us, all in charity, help people please God. It may not have an effect for years, but truth has a way of sticking, especially when it is God’s Truth.
Some people need to be turned away. It is only when shut out that hey understand what they really want and need. In most instances these people have been ‘God is all Love” to death. God is Love. He is also all just and is not one to shy away from retribution. Either Hell is real or their is no God. What point a Heaven with no Hell?
Most of these people need to be very aggressively preached to. Most have never heard anything like it and need the jolt back into reality.
That is precisely what I have been thinking for decades.
Abortion = Devil's sacrament
New Liturgy = Acceptable to devil because while it fools 'new catholics' into thinking it's authentic, he knows it isn't the same and is a slap at God.
The problem is that sinners are hearing acceptance of sin and "no problem" while listening to this pope. Doesn't really matter whether the translations are imperfect -- they are primed to hear it that way and will always hear the honey approach that way.
There used to be set boundaries, but no longer are they enforced. Most people attend the Church that fulfills their needs.
According to whom?
True story: when I moved here, I went to the diocesan chancery to find out exactly which parish's territory I lived in. (My house is more-or-less equidistant between two Catholic churches.) I asked the secretary, "I live at [address]; can you tell me which parish I'm supposed to be in?" She looks at me in confusion and then asks: "Well, where do you go to church?" ;-)
I don’t understand your question. Brain dead according to whom? That would be according to the attending Physicians. Ability to be removed from life support? It is a rather long held and understood position of the Church that extra medical means are not required at any time to maintain life. It is not murder to allow nature to take its’ course.
That is precisely what I have been thinking for decades.Yes, it's interesting. There IS a power that comes through the Latin Mass ioo (in our opinions; dh and me) that one can readily feel, that doesn't really resonate through the Novus Ordo, unless, of course, it is respectfully conducted with Tridentine rubrics.
Surprised nobody has commented on that.
I believe it’s been extensively commented on already.
Surprised nobody has commented on that.
Seems to me the thread said something about subjects to be avoided, maybe this was one of them, oops.
I believe it’s been extensively commented on already.
The devil hates Latin.
Latn: The language of the Eurotrash impetialists who oppressed Jesus’s people. Why not Aramaic, Romeulans?
Highlighting is mine.
ARE “BRAIN DEAD” PATIENTS REALLY DEAD?
by Julie Grimstad
Pope John Paul II addressed the 18th International Congress of the Transplantation Society in 2000.[1] His statement has been interpreted by some medical professionals involved in organ transplantation as an unconditional endorsement of their procedures. The Pope did indeed praise transplants as “a great step forward in science’s service to man” and called organ donation “a genuine act of love.” However, the address contains a number of qualifiers -- moral guidelines -- that are being misinterpreted or ignored.
Foremost among those guidelines are: the donation of organs must be “performed in an ethically acceptable manner” and “vital organs which occur singly in the body can be removed only after death, that is, from the body of someone who is certainly dead.” The Pope gave a cautious nod to using neurological (brain-related) criteria, “if rigorously applied,” for determining death. The requirement he set down was “the complete and irreversible cessation of all brain activity (in the cerebrum, cerebellum, and brain stem).”
In order for physicians to correctly claim that the Pope endorses their procedures, they must rigorously adhere to the Pope’s own guidelines. To determine with moral certainty that “complete and irreversible cessation of all brain activity” has occurred, the patient’s respiration and circulation would have to cease long enough to ensure the destruction of the entire brain. That is, the doctor would have to know that the brain has completely ceased to function, and also that the cessation is permanent. As long as an intact brain remains, there is no certainty that the brain could never recover function.[2]
I have collected a number of accounts of patients diagnosed to be “brain dead” who have subsequently regained consciousness. Granted that these cases are rare, but they do demonstrate that irreversibility is a prediction, not an observable condition.
The Pope asks the all-important question, “When can a person be considered dead with complete certainty?” According to him, one thing physicians must find is the complete cessation of activity in the brain stem. Control of heart rate, body temperature and blood pressure are functions of the brain stem. Nevertheless, patients with these signs of life -- normal heart rate, normal temperature and normal blood pressure -- are sometimes determined to be “brain dead.” The procedures used to make this determination, therefore, would not be acceptable to the Holy Father.
There are no universally accepted medical standards for determining “brain death.” A neurologist makes a declaration of “brain death” using any one of many different sets of criteria. A person could be declared “brain dead” if one set is used, but not if another set is employed. Every transplant center agrees that death is whatever a doctor says it is.[3]
Dr. Paul Byrne, whose articles on “brain death” have appeared in medical journals, poses this question: “It has been reported that when the incision is made to take the organs, there is an increase in heart rate and blood pressure. Could this occur if the person were dead?”
Michael Potts, head of the philosophy and religion department of Methodist College in Fayetteville, N.C., argues, “The main problem with organ donation from beating-heart, brain-dead donors is that if such donors are alive -- there is good reason to believe they are -- removing an unpaired vital organ (heart, liver) or both paired vital organs (both lungs or both kidneys) kills the patient.”[4]
I propose informing the public that their organs may be taken when they are “almost dead” or “as good as dead,” but not certainly dead. Then, people will be able to give truly informed consent (or refusal) to organ donation. Even without such truth in advertising, many people are wary.
A Gallup Poll published in January, 1985, showed that only 17 percent of respondents had signed a donor card. Among the reasons people gave for not donating their organs were, “They might do something to me before I am really dead” and “I’m afraid the doctors might hasten my death if they needed my organs.”
When one considers vital organ transplants immoral, this does not imply a lack of sympathy for the suffering of those with failing organs. It is simply a refusal to condone evil, no matter one’s feelings. When in doubt about whether or not certain persons are alive, we must act as though they are. Ending the life of a defenseless human being for the good of another will never be morally acceptable.
Julie Grimstad served as director of the Center for the Rights of the Terminally Ill (CRTI) from 1985-2003. She is currently the executive director of Life is Worth Living, Inc., a member of Pro-Life Wisconsin’s speakers bureau, on the advisory board of Human Life Alliance, and a member of the Respect Life Committee for the Diocese of La Crosse, WI. E-mail: juliegrimstad@yahoo.com.
NOTES
[1] “International Congress on Organ Transplants,” www.vatican.va.
[2] Information provided by Paul A. Byrne, M.D., Clinical Professor at Medical College of Ohio, past president of the Catholic Medical Association.
[3] Bishop Fabian W. Bruskewitz, Bishop Robert F. Vasa, et al, “Are Organ Transplants Ever Morally Licit?” The Catholic World Report, 3/01;50-56
[4] Michael Potts, Ph.D., “Consciousness vs. physiology: When is death really death?” Medical Ethics Advisor, 3/03, pp. 25-36.
From your referenced material. “Nevertheless, patients with these signs of life — normal heart rate, normal temperature and normal blood pressure — are sometimes determined to be “brain dead.” The procedures used to make this determination, therefore, would not be acceptable to the Holy Father.”
Nothing I said contradicts this statement from the Pope.
At no time is a person who is sustained by artificial means will have normal heart rate and blood pressure as without the artificial means he would have neither a heart rate or a blood pressure.
I have intimate knowledge of the brain dead as our second son had suffered a stroke while in the hospital. We had brought him in for a viral infection he got an atrial fibrillation while being treated and we decided to disconnect his life support when it was determined that he suffered a stroke and became brain dead. There was simply no hope that he would regain consciousness.
My wife and I held him for the last time as they disconnected his life support machines. He was dead within a minute without life support.
We received plenty of counsel about the moral aspects of our decision from our parish priest and the Catholic Chaplain on staff.
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