Traditional Latin Mass, Abortion, Homosexuality, BirthControl, BrainDead are Subjects to be Avoided

Traditional Catholic Priest ^ | 1-10-14 | Fr. Peter Carota

[mlizzy]

All of us who are traditional Catholics feel strongly about what is happening in the Catholic Church. What I mean is the strong progressive, modernist agenda of telling us to be silent about the intrinsic evil of abortion, homosexual activity, birth control, divorce and modesty. This agenda is being imposed on most Catholics.

I bring this issue up, because these are extremely important moral issues that need to be addressed for the well being of our society. How can anyone ever be for the murder of the unborn babies? Any rational person, without prejudices, knows that abortion kills unborn human beings at a stage we all went through to be born. How can anyone in their right mind condone this?

But, as you have all noticed, whenever we bring up these good, sane, Catholic morals, they almost instantaneous cause negative responses. It is as if the devil gets to work instantly and hostility is manifested.

I preached about the child that was saved from abortion at Holy Mass today. Right off I have to be concerned about angry people, simply because I mentioned the “abortion” word in church. I know this because it has happened to me so many times.

Now, what I have also noticed, is that this same exact intense negative reaction also comes about as soon as you bring up anything about the Holy Latin Mass. It is almost the exact same reaction as that which comes from those who are in support of abortion, birth control, homosexual sex, immodesty and divorce.

Yet, even with this negative reaction, we still need to share the beauty and power of the Holy Latin Mass along with voicing the evil of abortion and the other serious sins that are destroying our society today.

What is it about the Holy Latin Mass that it also brings up the same sentiments in Catholics like those angry sentiments of pro abortion advocates?

I contend that it is the devil and the influence of the world on most Catholics. Just like the devil hates life and therefore promotes abortion, he also hates the Holy Latin Mass and promotes a watered down version.

We are so fortunate to know this and must get used to the same old trick of the devil, an angry response and getting in trouble. He will always have his friends to fight for the murdering of babies and getting rid of the Holy Sacred Sacrifice of the Mass. Latin and the Sacred Sacrifice of the Holy Mass destroy the power of the devil. For this reason he hates Latin and the Holy Mass.

[Ransomed]

I never attended a latin Mass. But I think there is a reason that you never seem to hear the folks who are way into things like abortion, priestesses and ‘gay marriage’ screaming for more latin Masses. So it’s got that going for it in my book.

Freegards

[mlizzy]

Yes, you agree with the good priest, Fr. Carota. And I think I agree with the both of you. I do not hear them crying out for more Latin Masses either. If you ever get the opportunity to attend one, please do, and get back as to how you liked it. It took my husband a few Masses before he embraced them, as it’s very different, following along that is. But now, it’s like a slice of heaven, for real... :)

[Ransomed]

I think the reason is that the same reason you don’t hear about ‘liturgical puppets’ being used at latin Masses. If you care enough about it to do the latin Mass thing in the first place, no way you are going to throw a puppet show into it as well, or any other craziness.

Freegards

[Salvation]

Oh, forgive me, I wasn’t talking about you personally. I just put that piece out there for everyone’s information.

[mlizzy]

It’s true; you’re right, it’s a gorgeous, heavenly Mass (no puppets!). It seems that my husband’s work schedule will allow us to take in the Tridentine tomorrow, and we’re very much looking forward to it.

[trebb]

Understand abortion and other topics as big deals. Have trouble with the Latin Mass as something that will enhance Catholicism - why use a language that so few in the laity understand and which relegates it to a “hear a sound, make a sound” session? Celebrate Mass in the same vein of clarity that was fostered by the original speaking in tongues - done so all could hear and understand. Don’t do it with the present day “speaking in tongues” where nobody has a clue what them guttural noises are.

[mlizzy]

Much of the Latin would be learned (by the laity) over a period of time, though. Just as Latin has been used sometimes already in the Post Vatican Novus Ordo, it has then been learned. Example, the Agnus Dei (after the consecration):

"Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccati mundi, miserere nobis. Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccati mundi, miserere nobis. Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccati mundi, dona nobis pacem.

"Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us. Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us. Lamb of God, who takes away the sins of the world, grant us peace."

Our parish provides (in every pew) hardbound (very beautifully produced) missals with side-by-side Latin/English translations of the Mass that we always use. And the homily is done in English facing the parishioners.

It's interesting, because as a person without enough hearing to discern any spoken language, whether it be English, Latin, or Spanish, there's a power in the Latin Mass, whether it be NO or EF (truly like heaven is the best way I can describe it), which is missing in a not-fully-respectful English (or Spanish) Mass. Or as my husband said some time ago, "I struggle just to get through our usual [Novus Ordo without Extraordinary Form rubrics] Sunday Mass." He went on to say the two Masses felt almost like different religions altogether.

[rbmillerjr]

“I have never been a member of the Catholic Church, but I agree with them on almost every major issue other than birth control. I even agree (of course) on the exceptionally grave evil of compelling others to pay for, support, or participate in abortion and birth control. Churches should not avoid controversial issues; that is where we need God’s guidance the most.”

By the Grace of God.

You are more “Catholic” than many who CLAIM to BE Catholic.

[trebb]

It's interesting, because as a person without enough hearing to discern any spoken language, whether it be English, Latin, or Spanish, there's a power in the Latin Mass, whether it be NO or EF (truly like heaven is the best way I can describe it), which is missing in a not-fully-respectful English (or Spanish) Mass. Or as my husband said some time ago, "I struggle just to get through our usual [Novus Ordo without Extraordinary Form rubrics] Sunday Mass." He went on to say the two Masses felt almost like different religions altogether.

I think some of the allure comes from the impact of the "exotic" nature of the pomp and ritualism. That can feel nice, but for me I prefer to understand every word and the context of a new mass each time vs. the rote of the ceremonial.

I remember sitting in Catholic services as a child and being torn between the rituals and being lost in the mystery. Loved the smell of the incense, but missed the meaning behind the symbolism.

[Pollster1]

Thank you.

[mlizzy]

I should add, trebb, that the Gospel is spoken in both English and Latin at the lectern (priest facing people) and the Epistle is always spoken in Latin facing the altar, but also sometimes in English as well. Not sure why this is so, but some of the TLM is indeed in English. And the missal is there for that which is spoken in Latin only. And as informavoracious stated "The devil hates Latin," so maybe that's why the TLM is so heavenly; the absence of Satan. He's not given doorways to enter.

Have you been to a Traditional Latin Mass since your days as a kid?

[IrishBrigade]

New Liturgy = Acceptable to devil because while it fools ‘new catholics’ into thinking it’s authentic, he knows it isn’t the same and is a slap at God.

...I doubt the devil accepts the Pauline mass anymore than the Pian...it is roundly denounced throughout the Catholic world, as it should rightly be...

...however, for myself and many others, the ‘blessing’s’ of the Novus Ordo age provides fodder for a whole other thread...

[IrishBrigade]

why use a language that so few in the laity understand and which relegates it to a “hear a sound, make a sound” session?

...what a flagrantly ignorant statement...

Don’t do it with the present day “speaking in tongues” where nobody has a clue what them guttural noises are.

...are you seriously supposing that I and others who regularly attend the TLM have no clue what is going on...do you doubt that a human being has the capacity to learn a few phrases of a foreign language that is for the most part unchanging from week to week, and can easily read with a hand held missal...?

...is it your contention that humankind needs every single thing in the world spoon fed to it, or it will understand nothing...what a bleak vision...

[Jim from C-Town]

Cool. It was a good thing to know.

[trebb]

...what a flagrantly ignorant statement...
...are you seriously supposing that I and others who regularly attend the TLM have no clue what is going on
...do you doubt that a human being has the capacity to learn a few phrases of a foreign language that is for the most part unchanging from week to week, and can easily read with a hand held missal...? ...is it your contention that humankind needs every single thing in the world spoon fed to it, or it will understand nothing...what a bleak visio

That's about as useful as those speaking foreign languages to me as a child in the church. Why should a child have to go through the process of learning a new language before he can start really understanding what is being said? I find it a bit ironic that children go through First Communion and Confirmation while being pretty much in the dark due to lack of understanding/good teaching. How many, like me way back when, leave the Catholic Church in their teens because they end up with more questions than answers?

BTW - my Sunday School "teachers" had the same apparent attitude as you expressed.