Posted on 01/12/2014 7:49:32 PM PST by restornu
“greek expert and neither are you. So I’ll listen to the greek expert and not you if you don’t mind...”
From your own link:
“from huios, “a son,” and thesis, “a placing,” akin to tithemi, “to place,” signifies the place and condition of a son given to one to whom it does not naturally belong.”
And more:
“from huios, “a son,” and thesis, “a placing,” akin to tithemi, “to place,” signifies the place and condition of a son given to one to whom it does not naturally belong.”
The UCG and LDS position does not teach that we are only “placed into the position of sons,” but that we become literal gods after the ‘God Kind.”
Strong’s dictionary agrees:
uihothesia
hwee-oth-es-ee’-ah
From a presumed compound of G5207 and a derivative of G5087; the placing as a son, that is, adoption (figuratively Christian sonship in respect to God): - adoption (of children, of sons).
“Are you dismissing the promise in Romans 8?”
There’s nothing in Romans 8 that contradicts Isaiah, or any of the scriptures, in claiming that we will become gods too. Nor do I regard any of the LDS claims, so why even quote them at me?
“I whole heartedly believe in the near future more Bible scriptures will come forth”
Sure, right after DNA evidence proves that the Native Indians were all really Jews after all, despite the skin of blackness that the Mormon God(s) gave to them.
>sigh<
>rolls eyes<
Okay. Let’s make this simple people. This is Torah 101 class (five books of Moses for all you out there in Rio Linda) that’s still as valid today as it was before this universe and the Earth were made and will be after the universe is long gone.
The Shema is recited by Jews every day around the globe three times a day (evening, morning, and afternoon), before going to sleep, and right before death.
What is the Shema you ask?
Please break out your Torah or Tanach (the Bible) and turn to Deuteronomy 6:4 which says the following.
“Shema Yisrael Adonai Elokenu Adonai Echad.”
Translation into English:
“Hear, Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is One.”
Jews have told the world over and over and over and over and over and over again (and over again) that there is only one God and he is non-corporeal, can never be corporeal and thus not a man or woman nor male or female on any level. He is above time and space yet He is closer than any of us can even begin to imagine.
Any time you see a phrase in the Tanach like ‘the outstretched arm of God’ or ‘God walked in the Garden’ are simply anthropomorphisms of His interactions within this level of reality.
He is unique and cannot be divide into three parts or 10 or a seemingly infinite amount. It can not be done nor will it ever be done. The closest he comes to being anything in this universe is spirit.
This is backed up by the Christian’s replacement Tanach (the New Testament) in John 4:24 which says...
“God is Spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”
It’s very difficult to understand this oneness unless you have died, gone to Heaven and have been in His presence, and then were resuscitated back to life, or did an Aliyat Nefesh (soul travel) to Heaven while meditating or asleep, or have simply stepped into His presence fully conscious at His initiative.
Many Jews have suffered and died for not stepping away from this very simple but very powerful line of God’s own words.
The biggest lie told by the Adversary is that man (individually or collectively) can be God. If any Messiah shows up claiming to be such you know you have the wrong one because the real deal is going to say he isn’t. The Rev. Jim Jones and Obama are the Left’s messiahs and look how well they’ve done.
And it’s never kosher to deify a rabbi no matter how great he is even if he has overcome death. Overcoming death is not a qualifier to becoming God. When you receive eternal life (after being ‘saved’) does that mean you are God? Absolutely not.
People ask me about the passage in the ninth chapter of the Isaiah the (Jewish) Prophet, verse 6 which reads...
“For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.”
The Messiah will have the problems of Israel on his shoulders because he’ll be in charge. He will be called those names that are listed. Who is calling him those names? God or mankind? Mankind of course!
Even the Lubavitcher Rebbe (aka Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson) was deified and called Messiah by about fifty percent of his followers because how well he knew the Tanach and the small miracles he performed. Even his die-hard followers still insist he’ll re-incarnate soon.
The rabbis say a messiah shows up in every generation but doesn’t make his presence known unless Israel merits it. Will it happen in our time? I hope so just so he can teach the world he isn’t God so this debate can be over and done with for good. People can then quit tying themselves up in knots with doctrines not in line with His words or the interpretation of it handed down since Moses.
If you want to study the Shema more in depth just go ogle it.
I respect your understanding Just wondering if you would describe your family being more than one member to be polytheistic the point I am getting at is in the Christ family there are more than one member but it is a family and now mankind has an opportunity to be adopted into.
Rev 12 (War in Heaven and Jehovah aka Jesus doing the will of Heavenly Father?)
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
” Just wondering if you would describe your family being more than one member to be polytheistic”
Sure, if we were GODS.
” the point I am getting at is in the Christ family there are more than one member”
And what I’m getting at is, with all the authority of scripture behind me, that there is only one God, and there is no other God beside Him, nor will you ever become a god after you die.
As long as scriptures like those which you have ignored exist in the scripture, I will only regard your “understanding” as horrible and blasphemous.
It is late no pun indented but you haven’t heard the latest on the topic of DNA and the Book of Mormon.
Also those two who stir this up were in a different field of science and were limited in how to read DNA or understand the different kinds of process.
DNA and The Book of Mormon Explained full-length video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SStDH3SCj4Q
Sound as well as BIBLICAL doctrine. Something Jesus, Himself taught, as did His Apostles and disciples after Him.
Wait a sec...YOU ARE a Christian minister with over twenty years of experience or is it the author you posted from???
It IS in the Bible - both the Old and New Testaments. How else would Christians even know about it and believe it if it wasn’t in there?
It IS in the Bible - both the Old and New Testaments. How else would Christians even know about it and believe it if it wasn’t in there?
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Ok show us the verse where it says the word Trinity?
It IS in the Bible - both the Old and New Testaments. How else would Christians even know about it and believe it if it wasn’t in there?
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Doctrine of the Trinity is one of those which some of you would call as in Colossians 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
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It seems to have been a man named Theophilus of Antioch who first applied the term trinity to this Biblical concept as early as 181 A.D. But it was the Anathasian Creed, completed some time in the fifth century, which stated it most clearly: “We worship one God in trinity, and trinity in unity, neither confounding the persons, nor separating the substance.” http://www.piney.com/HsTheopTrinity.html
Yes the Bible talks about The Father Son and Holy Ghost but nowhere can there be found the description as define in Trinity, because it is the “Tradition of men,” it is one of those things that get started it sounds good but it really never happen...
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Just like the tale that George Washington never cut down the cherry tree but is has stuck as truth forever...
First off: George Washington did NOT chop down a cherry tree. The fable had young Washington ‘fessing up to “barking” his father’s prized sapling.
However, the whole story is a moral lesson invented by the patriot’s first biographer - a former Anglican pastor and itinerant Bible salesman named Mason L. Weems.
Known throughout the country as “Parson” Weems, he wrote several books on good conduct to supplement his Bible tracts.
Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/182628
restornu lives as a very confused person, she probably doesn’t know if her first post is her own, or something else.
She can’t answer.
THE ATHANASIAN CREED
Whosoever will be saved: before all things it is necessary that he hold the Catholic Faith:
Which Faith except every one do keep whole and undefiled: without doubt he shall perish everlastingly.
And the Catholic Faith is this: That we worship one God in Trinity, and Trinity in Unity;
Neither confounding the Persons: nor dividing the Substance.
For there is one Person of the Father: another of the Son: and another of the Holy Spirit.
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, is all one: the Glory equal, the Majesty coeternal.
Such as the Father is: such is the Son: and such is the Holy Spirit.
The Father uncreated: the Son uncreated: and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
The Father incomprehensible: the Son incomprehensible: and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
The Father eternal: the Son eternal: and the Holy Spirit eternal.
And yet they are not three eternals: but one eternal.
And also there are not three uncreated: nor three incomprehensibles, but one uncreated: and one incomprehensible.
So likewise the Father is Almighty: the Son Almighty: and the Holy Spirit Almighty.
And yet they are not three Almighties: but one Almighty.
So the Father is God: the Son is God: and the Holy Spirit is God.
And yet they are not three Gods: but one God.
So likewise the Father is Lord: the Son Lord: and the Holy Spirit Lord.
And yet not three Lords: but one Lord:
For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity: to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord:
So are we forbidden by the Catholic Religion: to say, There be three Gods, or three Lords.
The Father is made of none: neither created, nor begotten.
The Son is of the Father alone: not made, nor created: but begotten.
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son: neither made, nor created, nor begotten: but proceeding.
So there is one Father, not three Fathers: one Son, not three Sons: one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
And in this Trinity none is afore, or after another: none is greater, or less than another.
But the whole three Persons are coeternal, and coequal.
So that in all things, as aforesaid: the Unity in Trinity, and the Trinity in Unity, is to be worshipped.
He therefore that will be saved, must thus think of the Trinity.
Furthermore it is necessary to everlasting salvation: that he also believe rightly the Incarnation of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For the right Faith is, that we believe and confess: that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, is God and Man.
God, of the Substance of the Father; begotten before the worlds: and Man, of the Substance of His Mother, born into the world.
Perfect God: and perfect Man, of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
Equal to the Father, as touching His Godhead: and inferior to the Father as touching His Manhood.
Who although He be God and Man; yet He is not two, but one Christ.
One; not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh: but by taking of the Manhood into God.
One altogether; not by confusion of Substance: but by unity of Person.
For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man; so God and Man is one Christ;
Who suffered for our salvation: descended into hell: rose again the third day from the dead.
He ascended into heaven, He sitteth on the right hand of the Father God Almighty.
From whence He shall come to judge the quick and the dead.
At whose coming all men shall rise again with their bodies;
And shall give account for their own works.
And they that have done good shall go into life everlasting: and they that have done evil, into everlasting fire.
This is the Catholic Faith: which except a man believe faithfully, he can not be saved.
I am not even sure how i view the trinity, but i do agree that the teaching is man made because the word is not there.
Although it is not as noticeable as the man made Sunday Sabbath and the collecting of tithes it is still adding to the word of God.
Good article...it’s amazing how a man made doctrine that was not complete until over 300 years after Christ died is the “criteria” to be a Christian.
“i am not a mormon and i agree that the “trinity” doctrine is garbage”
I suspect that means you do not understand how that doctrine was articulated, based on the totality of Scripture...
“Ok show us the verse where it says the word Trinity?”
Ha! Back to the see and say method of mormonic interpretation! Always leads to error.
***Ok show us the verse where it says the word Trinity?***
Irrelevant word games. Like the Seventh Day Adventists who proclaimed a $1000 reward if anyone could show them, in the Bible, where God ever changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
Because the word “Sunday” is not found in the Bible no one ever collected the reward, proving, to the SDA mind, that Saturday was the proper day of worship. But this is an argument for another time.
“Bible” isn’t in the Bible either.
“Church” isn’t in the Bible either (the word is “assembly” or “gathering”)
Doctrines are not arrived at because the name of the doctrine is in the Bible.
Doctrines are based on the totality of revelation.
“having gone therefore disciple all the nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit”
Is it your contention that God was unable to preserve for us today His words to us and that the only text we have available is a corrupted text?
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