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Disgraced Ex-Preacher Says There’s a Major Culture Problem in Evangelical Christianity
The Blaze ^ | Dec. 16, 2013 | Billy Hallowell

Posted on 01/15/2014 5:30:34 PM PST by Gamecock

Ted Haggard, a preacher who stepped down in 2006 from his position as president of the National Association of Evangelicals and pastor of New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colo., following a sex and drug scandal, recently spoke out about Isaac Hunter’s suicide, an event that took the evangelical world by storm last week.

Focusing specifically on the scandals and charges of wrongdoing that have surrounded many famed preachers — himself included — Haggard said that evangelical Christians sometimes fail to properly apply the gospel when dealing with faith leaders who fall from grace.

Hunter, the former pastor of Summit Church in Orlando, Fla., had been facing personal issues since stepping down from his position late last year. His death, following the suicide of Pastor Rick Warren’s son, Matthew, earlier this year, has brought additional attention to mental health in evangelical circles.

“The news about Pastor Isaac Hunter breaks my heart. Great speaker, lover of God, and my guess is he loved the church. But he, like all of us, fell short,” Haggard wrote. “In the midst of divorce with accusations swirling, he resigned from the church he founded. He gave it his best shot, and his heart was broken.”

He continued, “This makes me sick to my stomach. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not sick that he fell short, that’s a given for everyone except Christ Himself, I’m sick that our message did not do what we all hoped – it did not fix the problem.”

Haggard said that, in the past, evangelical leaders who have been immersed in scandal were often seen as not true believers, however he said this simply isn’t the case. In fact, he argued that most people who are in ministry “are sincere followers of Christ.”

While many Christians assume that a conversion to the faith heals all past problems, Haggard said this wasn’t the case in his own experience. While he said that becoming a believer made him “a new creation spiritually,” Haggard noted that there was some “simple care” that would have helped him avoid the scandal and pain he caused his family.

“I was so ashamed in 2006 when my scandal broke. The therapeutic team that dug in on me insisted that I did not have a spiritual problem or a problem with cognitive ability, and that I tested in normal ranges on all of my mental health tests (MMPI, etc.).” he wrote. “Instead, I had a physiological problem rooted in a childhood trauma, and as a result, needed trauma resolution therapy. I had been traumatized when I was 7 years old, but when Bill Bright led me to the Lord when I was 16, I learned that I had become a new creature, a new person, and that I did not need to be concerned about anything in my past, that it was all covered by the blood.”

But Haggard said that his past was still impacting his life.

In the end, the former megapastor claimed that his Christian training was delivered by people who didn’t respect the mental health and neural science professions. This translated, he wrote, into a counterproductive situation, as he was taught to view all issues as being entirely spiritual in nature.

“If I prayed and fasted, I was more tempted. If I just worked in ministry, I experienced relief and was not tempted,” Haggard continued. “I thought it was spiritual warfare. It was not. My struggle was easily explained by a competent therapeutic team.”

Haggard said that he believes wholeheartedly in the Bible, but that Christianity has “abandoned the application of the gospel” and that, as a result, too much time is spent on image management and damage control.

“Every one of us have had sin horribly intrude in our lives after being saved and filled with the Holy Spirit, and God is faithfully healing us or has healed us,” he continued. “Why don’t we tell that? He has never left us or forsaken us when we’ve said and done the wrong thing. Why don’t we tell that?”


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1 posted on 01/15/2014 5:30:34 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
following a sex and drug scandal

Let me fix that: following a homosexual prostitute and drug scandal

2 posted on 01/15/2014 5:31:23 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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3 posted on 01/15/2014 5:32:58 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: All

Just a few months before Haggard’s fall I heard an interview given by him where he insisted that he led a sin free life and that he resists all sin.

As a Reformed guy I was troubled by that statement because we hold to the belief that we are still sinners, and will remain such until death.

What I sense here is a bit of arrogance instead of repentance.


4 posted on 01/15/2014 5:35:44 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Gamecock

What I sense here is a bit of arrogance instead of repentance.


I would concur, it wasn’t his fault. He still is not humbled and broken.


5 posted on 01/15/2014 5:50:34 PM PST by PeterPrinciple
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To: Gamecock
As a Reformed guy I was troubled by that statement because we hold to the belief that we are still sinners, and will remain such until death.

What I sense here is a bit of arrogance instead of repentance.

As a Catholic guy, I would, on the surface of it, agree with your assessment.

Whether or not you agree with the effectuality of the Sacrament of Penance, I would certainly hope that anybody would see the value of a periodic examination of conscience. Properly done, it shows us the great grace that God continues to extend to each of us.

6 posted on 01/15/2014 5:50:54 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Gamecock
Haggard said that evangelical Christians sometimes fail to properly apply the gospel when dealing with faith leaders who fall from grace.

Funny, I thought the problem was that evangelical faith leaders fail to properly preach the Gospel.

7 posted on 01/15/2014 5:59:09 PM PST by Thane_Banquo ( Walker 2016)
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To: markomalley

I would suggest Mark that for most of us there is a continual self assessment process going on in light of the gospel - where we fall short, where we can improve, why we do the things we do. I do think though that a conscious, intentioned self assessment from time to time is a good thing and will most often lead to a humble and contrite heart!

Mel


8 posted on 01/15/2014 6:02:46 PM PST by melsec (Once a Jolly Swagman camped by a Billabong.)
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To: markomalley
I would certainly hope that anybody would see the value of a periodic examination of conscience.

Not knowing if there are Roman Catholic nuances tied to that statement, on the surface, I agree.

9 posted on 01/15/2014 6:04:25 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Gamecock
I was on the professional stage for 30 years and I know theater when I see it. A large number of high profile TV or megachurch preachers are entertainers, not pastors or evangelists.

They hone their oratory skills and know how to rivet the listener's attention through voice inflection, emotional projection and other acting techniques. They are very good at what they do.

However, I am convinced that the ones who capture the imaginations of their listeners are often charlatans who do not believe a word of what they preach. A good salesman can sell anything and even an insincere religion is a powerful convincer.

These people will bear higher scrutiny when they stand before God Almighty. They are either complete nonbelievers or utterly self-deluded. Either way, they are false to the core and more concerned about mammon than God.

Evangelicals would be better served to find a small church with a devoutly sincere pastor who will shepherd them according to Biblical principles. He (it should be a man - beware of woman pastors) should speak to congregation in a steady and genuine manner without shouting, hectoring and storming about the stage. Jesus only seems to have yelled when he was angry such as when he cleared the temple with a whip of cords or upbraided the falsely pious Pharisees.

More discipleship and Christian growth is achieved in one small group Bible study than ten Sunday services.

If the pastor doesn't know your name, you don't have a pastor.

10 posted on 01/15/2014 6:05:00 PM PST by Dr. Thorne ("How long, O Lord, holy and true?" - Rev. 6:10)
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To: Gamecock
I have a hard time understanding exactly what he is saying.

Yes, we all deal with sin even after we're saved. But many people are not enslaved to addiction and those who are should not be Christian leaders.

This guy continued on as a leader although he knew he was enslaved to a perverted lifestyle. He should never have allowed himself to go that far.

I wish the best for him and hope he experiences total freedom...but I don't really think he's saying much of value here.

11 posted on 01/15/2014 6:06:42 PM PST by what's up
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To: Gamecock

I really do not get his point, these “leaders” should step down down and start repenting. They cannot continue to be “leaders”, duh.


12 posted on 01/15/2014 6:12:36 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Dr. Thorne

bump

I totally agree


13 posted on 01/15/2014 6:14:47 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: Gamecock
Not knowing if there are Roman Catholic nuances tied to that statement, on the surface, I agree.

I'm a Catholic, and the nuances are not there, except to the degree that Catholics like myself would tend to put them within a Catholic framework.

A non-Catholic who believes in repentance would have to examine his conscience so that his repentance would be more than just a vague, "I'm a sinner." Certainly at Final Judgment our specific sins will be revealed to all.

For Catholics, even outside of sacramental Confession, it is good to practice an Act of Contrition, which is a way to pray "directly to God" specifically for forgiveness of sins. The first stage of making a good Act of Contrition requires such reflection.

Although an Act of Contrition does not have to be said an exact certain way, it must involve true sorrow for sins committed, and not only because of the threat of Divine punishment, but because they are offensive to the all-good God. Finally, it ought to include a resolution to sin no more, and to avoid the things that lead to sin.
14 posted on 01/15/2014 6:17:11 PM PST by Dr. Sivana (“The only thing that can save us is if Kerry wins the Nobel prize and leaves us alone.”-Moshe Yaal)
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To: markomalley
I would certainly hope that anybody would see the value of a periodic examination of conscience.

From a Reformed perspective, one should do so as part of preparation for partaking in the Sacrament of the Lord's Supper.

15 posted on 01/15/2014 6:21:23 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Dr. Thorne
More discipleship and Christian growth is achieved in one small group Bible study than ten Sunday services.

Amen to that. It can be life-changing; provided you get with some people truly grounded in the Bible, who do not view this as a social gathering around snacks, and who will vow not to gossip or divulge what they hear in prayer by others in the group. The group should be small, I would say 7 people max; but with some way of tapping new members if someone has to move away.

16 posted on 01/15/2014 6:23:50 PM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: PeterPrinciple
I would concur, it wasn’t his fault. He still is not humbled and broken.

I know a minister who was a member of a parole board. He said he gave extra scrutiny to guys who claimed to have found God in prison. He said lots of guys claim to find God in prison but most of them have only found an excuse (The devil made me do it). He said they almost always reoffended.

He said those who accepted their own guilt and sought true repentance tended to be a far better risk. He pointed out that the devil can tempt you but you alone do the evil.
17 posted on 01/15/2014 6:26:38 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Dr. Sivana
A non-Catholic who believes in repentance would have to examine his conscience so that his repentance would be more than just a vague, "I'm a sinner." Certainly at Final Judgment our specific sins will be revealed to all.

To be sure.

We Reformed folk will say that sin so permeates our existence that we don't even know the depth of it. God id merciful and doesn't expose it to us at once, otherwise we would crumble under the weight of all of out sin. We certainly should examine ourselves, especially before the sacrament of communion

18 posted on 01/15/2014 6:30:20 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Dr. Thorne
If the pastor doesn't know your name, you don't have a pastor.

What an insightful statement.
19 posted on 01/15/2014 6:35:52 PM PST by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: Gamecock
Not knowing if there are Roman Catholic nuances tied to that statement, on the surface, I agree.

There's not any particularly nefarious papist nuances.

For me, I evaluate my thoughts and conduct (acts of commission and omission) in light of the 10 commandments, the 7 precepts of the Church (which I fully recognize that non-Catholics would not recognize), the four cardinal virtues (prudence, justice, temperance, and fortitude) and the three theological virtues (faith, hope, charity).

I briefly (informally) run through the above list nightly before my prayers and generally will do so in a more disciplined fashion on a weekly basis.

Other people may have other "templates" (for lack of a better word).

20 posted on 01/15/2014 6:35:58 PM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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