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‘FANTASY’ FRANCIS?
The American Spectator ^ | 1/22/14 | George Neumayr

Posted on 01/23/2014 4:54:43 PM PST by ebb tide

While some of the media’s claims about Francis are excessive, at least one is dismayingly real, one which Coppen never allows: that Francis is more liberal than his predecessors. Indeed, not a week passes without some new papal statement or action to puzzle conservatives and embolden liberals.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Islam; Theology
KEYWORDS: fantasyfrancis; francis; liberal; pope; romancatholic
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To: Tax-chick

What do you mean by you think you read the book? Did you or didn’t you? Do you remember Francis urging Skorka to convert to Catholicism in the book? If you do, you’re mistaken.


21 posted on 01/23/2014 6:21:46 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
What do you mean by you think you read the book?

I mean that I read a lot of books, and they don't all stick in my mind. It's not unknown for me to check out a book, start reading, and realize partway through that I've read it before.

I'm not a young woman.

22 posted on 01/23/2014 6:25:17 PM PST by Tax-chick (Well, that went badly.)
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To: Olog-hai

You are absolutely right.


23 posted on 01/23/2014 6:37:33 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office" ~ Aesop)
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To: Olog-hai

American Spectator is liberal media? You have not addressed one point in the posted article; you have just posted your own personal opinions about Fantasy Francis, regardless of the facts in the article.


24 posted on 01/23/2014 6:41:56 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Olog-hai
I seem to recall that Cardinal Burke is still president of the Apostolic Signatura.

Unfortunately he was replaced by Wuerl in the Congregation of Bishops.

25 posted on 01/23/2014 6:49:15 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Tax-chick
Do you not think we and the Jewish people are in a relationship with the one God?

I'm really disappointed that you would ask such a question. Do you think St. Stephen, the first martyr, and Caiphas were in the same relationship the one "God"?

26 posted on 01/23/2014 6:53:50 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

When a Spectator contributor collects several snippets from the liberal media and thus behave in the same manner as the liberal media, they turn the vehicle that publishes their material into a de-facto liberal media outlet, do they not? That therefore is the problem with uninformed editorializing. (Of course, some people would never imagine that Fox News turned liberal, but they absolutely did.)

One typical example is the “who am I to judge” quote taken out of context all the time w.r.t. homosexuals. That was uttered in the context of homosexuals repenting of their behavior; it’s not hard to find online.


27 posted on 01/23/2014 6:57:53 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: ebb tide
Everyone has his own idea of good and evil and must choose to follow the good and fight evil as he conceives them. That would be enough to make the world a better place", Pope Francis.

Relativism run riot.

28 posted on 01/23/2014 6:58:37 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: ebb tide

That’s informative, thanks.


29 posted on 01/23/2014 7:02:38 PM PST by Tax-chick (Well, that went badly.)
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To: ebb tide

You equating Caiaphas with all of the Jewish religion and Jews that subscribe thereof?


30 posted on 01/23/2014 7:03:32 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Tax-chick
If you read the book. You would have read this:

“There is a phrase from the Second Vatican Council that is essential: it says that God showed Himself to all men and rescues, first of all, the Chosen People. Since God is faithful to his Promise, He did not reject them. The Church officially recognizes that the People of Israel continue to be the Chosen People. Nowhere does it say, ‘You lost the game, now it is our turn’. It is a recognition of the people of Israel. That, I think, is the most courageous things from Vatican II on the subject.”

I recommend you read the article below by John Vennari to see how wrong the above statement is:

Pope Francis and the Old Covenant

31 posted on 01/23/2014 7:03:47 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Olog-hai

Caiphas, Foxman, Skorka: take your pick.


32 posted on 01/23/2014 7:05:33 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

They represent all of Judaism to you?


33 posted on 01/23/2014 7:06:49 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: ebb tide

Whoever John Vennari is, bless his heart, I’m not going to have anything to do with anti-Semitism. One thing an observant person notices about all the Wrong People is that they have a gripe on about the Jews.


34 posted on 01/23/2014 7:06:54 PM PST by Tax-chick (Well, that went badly.)
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To: Tax-chick

“Wrong People” - cute term. Did you learn that from Obama? Resort to insults when you have no logical rebuttal.


35 posted on 01/23/2014 7:14:03 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
There is no mention of any need for conversion to Christ and His Church …
Someone is looking for another Charlemagne, methinks?
36 posted on 01/23/2014 7:17:29 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai; Tax-chick
No, I can name many more. And they all have one thing in common: they all reject Jesus Christ as the Son of God.

The same Jesus Christ who said, "[6] Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me." John; Chapter 14

What part of this Gospel do you all not understand?

37 posted on 01/23/2014 7:25:15 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Tax-chick

Venarri is not an anti-Semite. I challenge you to prove your accusation.; otherwise please retract it.


38 posted on 01/23/2014 7:28:25 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
There is also Matthew 22:14, For many are called, but few are chosen. There is a significance to the Second Coming, and prior to it, what is described in Matthew 10:34 has to come to pass.

The devil’s work has to be allowed to finish too, such as described in Revelation 12:9; if he did not get to deceive the whole world, then a great purpose God has set in motion cannot be fulfilled.

Furthermore, even rejection of Jesus as Messiah will be forgiven; there is only one sin that cannot be forgiven, and that is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is described particularly in the case of those that were indeed converted but then vehemently turned away.
39 posted on 01/23/2014 7:31:56 PM PST by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
Furthermore, even rejection of Jesus as Messiah will be forgiven;

That's not true. Who taught you that nonsense?

40 posted on 01/23/2014 7:38:58 PM PST by ebb tide
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