Skip to comments.Pope Francis on Feb. 14: "Old Mass? Just a kind of fashion!"
Posted on 02/15/2014 11:08:30 AM PST by ebb tide
Yesterday (Friday, Feb. 14), Pope Francis held an audience with the Bishops of the Czech Republic who came to Rome for their ad limina visit. In the visit, as it usually happens in such cases, other than the formal address, the Pope heard the questions and comments of the bishops. Archbishop Jan Graubner, of Olomouc, told the Czech section of Vatican Radio what the Pope told him: [Abp. Jan Graubner speaks:] When we were discussing those who are fond of the ancient liturgy and wish to return to it, it was evident that the Pope speaks with great affection, attention, and sensitivity for all in order not to hurt anyone. However, he made a quite strong statement when he said that he understands when the old generation returns to what it experienced, but that he cannot understand the younger generation wishing to return to it. "When I search more thoroughly - the Pope said - I find that it is rather a kind of fashion [in Czech: 'móda', Italian 'moda']. And if it is a fashion, therefore it is a matter that does not need that much attention. It is just necessary to show some patience and kindness to people who are addicted to a certain fashion. But I consider greatly important to go deep into things, because if we do not go deep, no liturgical form, this or that one, can save us."
[Tip and translation: reader MC, from the Czech Republic.] _____________________________
Roman weather: always hard to predict
Traditionalists are extremely stable and strongly fashion-averse. But as for the winds in Rome!... Roma è mobile, qual piuma al vento! Under seven years ago, the opinion of the then-reigning and still living Holy Father (one who was much more acquainted with the issue at hand) was quite different:
Immediately after the Second Vatican Council it was presumed that requests for the use of the 1962 Missal would be limited to the older generation which had grown up with it, but in the meantime it has clearly been demonstrated that young persons too have discovered this liturgical form, felt its attraction and found in it a form of encounter with the Mystery of the Most Holy Eucharist ... . ... What earlier generations held as sacred, remains sacred and great for us too, and it cannot be all of a sudden entirely forbidden or even considered harmful. It behooves all of us to preserve the riches which have developed in the Churchs faith and prayer, and to give them their proper place. (Benedict XVI, July 7, 2007 Letter to Bishops)
Feel free to start your own Church and join the thousands of already existing protestant churches. Make yourself the Pope if you want.
Thats very edgy of you. How was high school this week?
Ah a reference to high school again. Different poster, same insult.
No, thanks. I’m a real Catholic.
The liturgical reform, in its concrete realization, has distanced itself even more from its origin. The result has not been a reanimation, but devastation. In place of the liturgy, fruit of a continual development, they have placed a fabricated liturgy. They have deserted a vital process of growth and becoming in order to substitute a fabrication.They did not want to continue the development, the organic maturing of something living through the centuries, and they replaced it, in the manner of technical production, by a fabrication, a banal product of the moment.
What happened after the Council was altogether different: instead of a liturgy fruit of continuous development, a fabricated liturgy was put in its place. A living growing process was abandoned and the fabrication started. There was no further wish to continue the organic evolution and maturation of the living being throughout the centuries and they were replaced -- as if in a technical production -- by a fabrication, a banal product of the moment. Gamber, with the vigilance of a true visionary and with the fearlessness of a true witness, opposed this falsification and tirelessly taught us the living fullness of a true liturgy, thanks to his incredibly rich knowledge of the sources. As a man who knew and who loved history, he showed us the multiple forms of the evolution and of the path of the liturgy; as a man who saw history from the inside, he saw in this development and in the fruit of this development the intangible reflection of the eternal liturgy, which is not the object of our action, but which may marvelously continue to blossom and to ripen, if we join its mystery intimately.
Great post. Thanks!
If Cardinal Ratzinger consistently and over time insisted on labeling the Novus Ordo liturgy a “banal, on the spot fabrication” how can anyone in their right mind criticize those who prefer the Traditional Latin Mass?
I really don’t know. And it’s disappointing that our current Pope is one of those critics.
Very perceptive of you. Catholic High School, of course. In fact, I am guilty of arrested development (in terms of modernism) at about 1960.
I’m sure you are.
Maybe you should have become a priest and maybe then you could have been the Pope and people would care what you had to say.
Maybe you should become a real Catholic. And maybe then Catholics would care what you had to say. Right now, I sure don’t.
You’re obviously incredibly Catholic and not a protestant at all, so why didn’t you become a Priest??
Thanks for the compliment. Are you a priest, yourself?
If not, why not?
If Benedict really believed that the NO was banal and a fabrication, why did he allow it to continue in the Church....as the ordinary form?
Care to quote that criticism? Once you do, I'll give you some of Pope Benedict's criticisms of Bugnini's Mass.
“And the Catholic Church used to wield the Sword of Truth.....totally emasculated now with Socialism”
Please provide links.
When Pope Francis says the Catholic Church believes in homosexual “marriage”, abortion on demand, and women priests you can start calling him another Obama. Until that happens please don’t compare this man to Obama. It just sounds silly.
His views are identical to Benedict, only the style is different. Benedict said you had to have special permission to exclusively do the Old Mass. New Mass is the preferred Mass, and that’s from Benedict.