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The Lost Art of Catholic Drinking
http://www.crisismagazine.com ^ | April 13, 2012 | Sean P. Dailey

Posted on 02/23/2014 9:23:37 AM PST by NKP_Vet

There is Protestant drinking and there is Catholic drinking, and the difference is more than mere quantity. I have no scientific data to back up my claims, nor have I completed any formal studies. But I have done a good bit of, shall we say, informal study, which for a hypothesis like this is probably the best kind.

To begin with, what is Catholic drinking? It’s hard to pin down, but here’s a historical example. St. Arnold (580-640), also known as St. Arnulf of Metz, was a seventh-century bishop of Metz, in what later became France. Much beloved by the people, St. Arnold is said to have preached against drinking water, which in those days could be extremely dangerous owing to unsanitary sewage systems — or no sewage system at all. At the same time, he frequently touted the benefits of beer and is credited with having once said, “From man’s sweat and God’s love, beer came into the world.”

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"The best beer is where priests go to drink. For a quart of Ale is a dish for a King". -- Shakespeare, A Winter's Tale
1 posted on 02/23/2014 9:23:37 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NKP_Vet

I like Catholic bourbon. Even the name signifies Catholic ~ Bourbon!


2 posted on 02/23/2014 9:27:16 AM PST by OpusatFR
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To: NKP_Vet

I can’t remember the monk’s name, but one wrote something along this line in the Middle Ages:

“I don’t know why but everything seems to go better with beer.”


3 posted on 02/23/2014 9:32:47 AM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998

“Filled with mingled cream and amber I will drain that glass again. Such hilarious visions clamber Through the chambers of my brain — Quaintest thoughts — queerest fancies Come to life and fade away; Who cares how time advances? I am drinking ale today.” ~ Edgar Allan Poe


4 posted on 02/23/2014 9:46:02 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("No damn man kills me and lives" ~ Lt Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: NKP_Vet
I started drinking for real when I was seventeen and have imbibed for well in excess of forty years. I have been hangover drunk. maybe, four of five times in that stretch. I am a practicing Catholic but never thought one had any to do with the other. I'll start paying attention fer the rest of my time.

Now, when God kicked Adam and Eve from the Garden, he could have been merciless. He wasn't. He said they could take some juniper trees with them. Thus, we can have gin. This provides a glimpse of what we have to anticipate if we live good lives. It says right here Heaven is teeming with juniper trees.

There isn't any refreshment in this world better than a well made martini, well, a Gibson gets close, and mine are as good as any and better than most. I understand in Heaven you can drink for enjoyment, and much as you like, and you never get past happy. Oh, and in Heaven there are no hangovers. I guarantee it.

5 posted on 02/23/2014 9:59:06 AM PST by stevem
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To: NKP_Vet

we bought a book awhile back that was called something like “The Bad Catholic’s Guide to Wine, Women and Song”. It was a history of different Catholic liqueurs and their connection to the Faith. It was not written by Catholic Bashers, but by a couple of guys who loved Church history and happy excuses to drink and try new recipes. We gave the book away to a couple who promptly misunderstood what it was and never replaced it. A pity.


6 posted on 02/23/2014 10:00:05 AM PST by married21 ( As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: stevem
Gotta love juniper trees.

On a hot, muggy day....there is nothing better than a perfectly chilled gimlet..with Rose's Lime Juice, of course..

7 posted on 02/23/2014 10:02:46 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: NKP_Vet

I think it was Einstein who said......naw.....it’s just me but if you throw Einstein’s name out there, forty or fifty more people will read this, “Art can only come after the mastery of the science of the subject.” Where is the science in this article? Where is The Scientific Method? First, we need a hypothesis. Here it is (). Oh, that’s a parenthesis. Sorry. I recall the words of my professor, “Always take the null hypothesis”. Here it is. “Drinking is null.” What the heck does that mean? I’d better have another drink. Maybe it will come to me. Like the floor came to me after that 8th shot of tequila. There is a science to drinking. Perhaps we should have a Nobel Prize for advancing science in drinking. I nominate myself. That John Nash guy won a Nobel Prize for thinking about how to pick up women in a bar. I can tell you how to pick up drinks in a bar. Use all of your hand. You don’t want the glass to slip out of your hand and ruin your experiment. Using just your thumb and trigger finger is not only dangerous, it makes you appear high-falutin. Maintain a smooth and steady motion as you bring the glass (or bottle if you’re Norwegian) to your lips. Spilling liquor is a waste of money and creates a safety hazard for your friends. You might step on their heads when they’re down there on the floor trying to lap up your spilled liquor. Should I win a Nobel Prize for my theory on picking up liquor in a bar, I will buy a round for everyone on the selection committee.


8 posted on 02/23/2014 10:03:17 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: NKP_Vet

There is the great tale of the origins of Lenten beer.

In old Germany, monks had concerns about the consumption of beer during the Lenten fast, and whether it was an acceptable practice. On their own, they could not reach a conclusion as to whether beer was too tasty to be pious.

So with some difficulty, a large case of beer was sent to Rome, so they could get a definitive answer. However, in Rome, the drink of choice was wine, and they found beer to be repulsive in flavor.

As such, they returned a hasty directive to the monks, informing them that beer was approved with a “nihil obstat” (nothing hinders), with an added commendation to the Germans for their piety in drinking such a noxious beverage.

The Germans, for their part, ran with it, and today produce some extremely rich, high velocity Lenten beers.


9 posted on 02/23/2014 10:04:17 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (WoT News: Rantburg.com)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

“It is my design to die in the brew house; let ale be placed in my mouth when I am expiring, that when the choirs of angels come, they may say, “Be God propitious to this drinker.” – St. Columbanus, A.D. 612


10 posted on 02/23/2014 10:12:44 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("No damn man kills me and lives" ~ Lt Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: NKP_Vet

How can you tell a difference between a Catholic and a Baptist?

The Catholic will wave back when you see him in the liquor store.

:-)


11 posted on 02/23/2014 10:45:39 AM PST by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: al_c

Good one. And true.


12 posted on 02/23/2014 10:47:45 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("No damn man kills me and lives" ~ Lt Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: ken5050

“There are plenty of our brethren who consider drinking somehow immoral, and there are plenty of others who think drinking must end with great intoxication. But the balanced approach — the Catholic approach — means having a good time, a good laugh, sometime a good cry, but always with joy and gratitude for God’s generosity in giving us such wonders as beer and burgundy.” - Sean Dailey


13 posted on 02/23/2014 10:49:32 AM PST by NKP_Vet ("No damn man kills me and lives" ~ Lt Gen Nathan Bedford Forrest)
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To: al_c

Jews don’t recognize Jesus as the son of God, Protestants don’t recognize the Pope, and Baptists don’t recognize each other in the liquor store.


14 posted on 02/23/2014 10:53:41 AM PST by CrazyIvan (Obama phones= Bread and circuits.)
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To: NKP_Vet; NYer; zot; tired&retired; Salvation; 2ndDivisionVet; Alamo-Girl; SeraphimApprentice

Oh yes, now let us have a food fight or a religious cat fight over beer, wine & liquor.

I close my comment with Ogden Nash’s immortal limerick: Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.


15 posted on 02/23/2014 10:56:20 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NKP_Vet

The problem with drinking alcohol, Catholic or otherwise, is drunkenness and its other attendant sins.


16 posted on 02/23/2014 11:00:28 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: GreyFriar

When ever you have four Catholics together, there’s always a “fifth.”


17 posted on 02/23/2014 11:05:46 AM PST by tired&retired
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To: GreyFriar

I watched Catholic drinking habits in my family at every wedding, baptism, first communion party, and amongst my Catholic co-workers at every company picnic or other social gathering. Falling over drunk is no good testimony of Catholic drinking patterns.

The reason I didn’t want an open bar for my wedding. Those relatives would drink themselves under the table if they could get all the booze they wanted for free.

No thanks.


18 posted on 02/23/2014 11:06:23 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: al_c

Lol!


19 posted on 02/23/2014 11:08:44 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: al_c

God invented whiskey to keep the Irish from ruling the world..


20 posted on 02/23/2014 11:21:19 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: metmom
FYI... a lady's toast you might enjoy....

"Here's to the perfect martini,
I can drink one at the most.
After two I am under the table,
After three I am under the host!

21 posted on 02/23/2014 11:24:20 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: NKP_Vet; All
I stumbled across this..a good read. thought you might enjoy: Ask your bartender: Protestant vs. Cathlic whiskey
22 posted on 02/23/2014 11:26:11 AM PST by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: tired&retired

“When ever you have four Catholics together, there’s always a “fifth.”

Hey, hey, that should be “Irish Catholic”.


23 posted on 02/23/2014 11:33:13 AM PST by NKP_Vet (“From man’s sweat and God’s love, beer came into the world.” – St. Arnold of Metz)
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To: NKP_Vet
“There are plenty of our brethren who consider drinking somehow immoral, and there are plenty of others who think drinking must end with great intoxication. But the balanced approach — the Catholic approach — means having a good time, a good laugh, sometime a good cry, but always with joy and gratitude for God’s generosity in giving us such wonders as beer and burgundy.” - Sean Dailey

“Wherever the Catholic sun doth shine, There’s always laughter and good red wine. At least I’ve always found it so. Benedicamus Domino!”

Hilaire Belloc

24 posted on 02/23/2014 11:35:52 AM PST by fidelis (Zonie and USAF Cold Warrior)
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To: metmom

Being career Army, I can say that I’ve attended enough functions, in the “old Army” of the 70s and 80s where there were a good number of attendees who got ‘falling over drunk’ and their personal religious beliefs had nothing to do with it.

Is it time for beer call yet?


25 posted on 02/23/2014 11:42:14 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: NKP_Vet

Protestant whiskey versus Catholic whiskey? Bushmills vs. Jameson?


26 posted on 02/23/2014 1:18:11 PM PST by OldNewYork
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To: stevem
This provides a glimpse of what we have to anticipate if we live good lives.

WADR, living good lives is not enough. Salvation is freely given, but must be accepted.

27 posted on 02/23/2014 1:23:29 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: OldNewYork

In America?


28 posted on 02/23/2014 1:26:52 PM PST by ansel12 (Ben Bradlee -- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: NKP_Vet

That explains a lot.

Many of my Catholic friends over the years were Protestant drinkers.


29 posted on 02/23/2014 2:00:37 PM PST by dmz
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To: al_c

Thats funny and I attend a Baptist church : )


30 posted on 02/23/2014 3:45:01 PM PST by ThisLittleLightofMine
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To: OldNewYork

That’s the way I’ve always heard it. Guess that’s why I gravitate toward Jameson’s. Sadly, last spring the quack doctors who attend me gave me a life sentence: no more alcohol. I didn’t have a problem with “the creature,” but I take so many different meds, they are worried that I would explode. I’m 71 now. If I hit 75, all bets are off.


31 posted on 02/23/2014 4:38:20 PM PST by Ax
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To: GreyFriar

This article is an invitation to a religious cat fight, indeed. It wasn’t necessary to label moderate drinking as “Catholic drinking.”


32 posted on 02/23/2014 7:16:23 PM PST by zot
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To: metmom

There is a Catholic Church in my neighborhood that celebrates Octoberfest every year by having a big beer garden on church property. Catholics A&E notorious boozers.


33 posted on 02/23/2014 7:18:02 PM PST by Old Yeller (P)
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To: Old Yeller

I know......


34 posted on 02/23/2014 7:22:02 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: GreyFriar

Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 02/23/2014 7:31:42 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: ken5050; metmom
Let your boat of life be light, packed with only what you need - a homely home and simple pleasures, one or two friends, worth the name, someone to love and someone to love you, a cat, a dog, and a pipe or two, enough to eat and enough to wear, and a little more than enough to drink; for thirst is a dangerous thing.”

(Jerome K. Jerome quotes)

36 posted on 02/24/2014 12:09:23 AM PST by boatbums (Simul justis et peccator)
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To: Ax

I will come to Florida and buy you as many shots of Jameson’s as you’d like when you’re 75. It will give me an excuse to drink more whiskey.


37 posted on 02/24/2014 12:41:24 AM PST by OldNewYork
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To: metmom

I lived in heavily Catholic South Boston for some time years ago, and there was a barrom like on every corner. And much spiritual coldness as well.


38 posted on 02/24/2014 8:21:06 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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