Posted on 02/24/2014 5:51:18 AM PST by xzins
Jesus Christ would absolutely bake a cake for a gay person. He’d bake a cake for a straight person. He’d bake a cake for a girl, a boy, a person who isn’t sure what they are, a black person, a white person — Jesus would bake that cake if it, in some way large or small, drew that person closer to Him.
And Christians should too.
Christians should show love and compassion to gays, straights, and everyone else. Christians should show God’s love in hopes of drawing people to a relationship with Christ. 95% of that may just be relationship building, but it should still be done.
If a Christian owns a bakery or a florist shop or a photography shop or a diner, a Christian should no more be allowed to deny service to a gay person than to a black person. It is against the tenets of 2000 years of orthodox Christian faith, no matter how poorly some Christians have practiced their faith over two millennia.
And honestly, I don’t know that I know anyone who disagrees with any of this.
The disagreement comes on one issue only — should a Christian provide goods and services to a gay wedding. That’s it. We’re not talking about serving a meal at a restaurant. We’re not talking about baking a cake for a birthday party. We’re talking about a wedding, which millions of Christians view as a sacrament of the faith and other, mostly Protestant Christians, view as a relationship ordained by God to reflect a holy relationship.
This slope is only slippery if you grease it with hypotheticals not in play.
There are Christians who have no problem providing goods and services for a gay marriage. Some of them are fine with gay marriage. Some of them think gay marriage is wrong, but they still have no problem providing goods and services.
Other Christians, including a significant number of Catholic and Protestant preachers, believe that a gay marriage is a sinful corruption of a relationship God himself ordained. Because they try to glorify God through their work, they believe they cannot participate in a wedding service. Yes, because they believe they are glorifying God in their work and view it as a ministry, they view providing goods and services as a way to advance, even in a small way, God’s kingdom.
Herein lies the dispute of the day. The latter group does not stand in the way of the former group providing cakes, flowers, and pictures for a gay wedding. Some of the former, however, believe the government should compel the latter group to violate their conscience. They only see the transaction through the customer’s eyes as if the vendors are passive participants.
That’s the problem.
We are not talking about race. We are not talking about restaurants. We are talking about a specific ceremony people of faith believe God himself created and ordained. Should the state force people to violate their conscience in that regard?
It is not staggering that there are aggrieved gay rights activists who think the state should be able to force people to recognize as normal that which most Christians view as sinful. What is staggering is the number of Christians who apparently think the State has the right to decide and enforce this issue.
You might think Jesus would bake a cake for a gay wedding. I think you are wrong. I do not think Jesus Christ would participate in the ratification of a sin — and a marriage between two people of the same sex is a sin. Are you really going to tell the millions of Christians in the United States who think otherwise that not only are they wrong, but the state should be able to force your opinion of what Jesus would do on them? In your pride, you might think 2000 years of Christian orthodoxy and the majority of practicing Christians in the world today are wrong — but don’t think among people of practicing Christian faith you are in the majority.
I understand if you are not a believer and define yourself based on your sexual preference that you think the government should legitimize you by forcing others to treat you in a particular way. But it boggles my mind to think any Christian should want the government to force their view of Christianity on another believer.
If you think the government should be able to force Christians to provide goods and services to a gay wedding or risk losing their business, why not command a preacher’s service? If a Christian baker cannot opt out, why should a preacher be able to opt out? And why not take from churches their tax exempt status if they fail to participate?
Christians should serve. But the government should not force them to.
I disagree that Jesus would bake the sodomites a cake but he would let them wash his feet.....and in doing so, they would cease being sodomites.
Would Jesus carry a gun? It doesn’t matter, the fourth amendment isn’t about what Jesus would do. Would Jesus publish a newspaper blistering congress and the president? It doesn’t matter, the first amendment isn’t about what Jesus would do.
This has nothing to do with what Jesus what do. Nothing at all. This is about the government forcing a private business to violate their second amendment rights.
Jesus didn’t bake! This is such a dumb opinion piece.
Me either. What a silly premise.
“With such a man do not eat.”
This is, I humbly submit, in an explicit Christian fellowship context. It has nothing to do with ministry to frank unbelievers. Christ showed what that looked like, and got called a glutton and a drunkard for His trouble.
Some people get so irritated with the notorious and difficult problem of homosexuality that they will drag out any verse that seems to damn them, to keep from looking like they are cheering that sin on. That’s going along with Satan’s temptation, however. Did Christ die for those sinners too? The bible answer is yes, but Satan is busy screaming in Christendom’s ears, NO NO NO.
Hypothetical
Assuming he learned carpentry — a possibility — would he sell a chair he made to a gay person?
“Equating salvation with a piece of cake is at the heart of the logical fallacy in your argument. Jesus fed loaves and fishes to a mass of people, some of whom were surely unsaved. I agree with the author, he would give them cake, just not gay “wedding” cake.”
Excellent point worth repeating.
of course, you should temper your expectations of any cake baked by a carpenter
Jesus Christ would absolutely bake a cake for a homosexual person.
Indeed Jesus would. Then Jesus would tell them to go and SIN NO MORE...
This is where this article falls short. Because our Government would not allow us to do that. So we can not act as Jesus would. Not without facing charges of hate from the Government and still being sued by the homosexual. Yes Jesus is about love but no where does the Bible say that Jesus wants you to sin........
Well, to try to put a heart into it.
We don’t see anything explicitly recorded in the gospel, but it’s difficult for me to see how this Carpenter could have passed up the opportunity to use His own trade as an illustration of His greater ministry. As I wrote in a certain Christian song I am trying to get some interest in,
“Then a Carpenter was My trade,
With a hammer I was good,
With quality in all I made
Out of every kind of wood —
And now I’ve come to rebuild your soul
If you’ll give the job to Me —
There’s nobody else can make you whole
Or to set your spirit free!”
(The reference in the book of Amos to a plumb line is also of interest.)
It falls short assuming that was its purpose in the first place. Be careful about leveling blame.
Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And that is what some of you were.
But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Isn’t there something in the Bible about people giving Him a hard time for eating with the heathens and other lowlifes, as they saw them?
You’re acting like I was disagreeing with this, when in fact I am not.
I am pointing out how a lot of Christians get very defensive and uptight in the face of the issue, and unfortunately that might include you.
Excellent words....do you have it online in soundwave of some kind?
Well Erick you have only yourself to blame for this torching!
When the conservative website Gay Patriot makes more sense on this issue that folks here at FR, I need to take a break!
Erick says Jesus would NOT bake a cake for a gay wedding.
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How kind of you.
How about uptight Christians?
The subject area gets a lot of “torching” all right, but much of it is from Satan that says do just about anything except make constructive suggestions. A generic “repent completely” is about as constructive as I usually see it get. However as I implied, it really needs to be a painstaking rebuild job, not a wham bam quick fix.
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