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To: HiTech RedNeck
We'll need to slice this one up as I'm unclear what you are referring to.

I see not only bad theology

more detail please. What part of my post are you referring to? The woman at the well? The bible does not say if she was saved.

Perhaps the need for repentence before salvation?
Luke 5:32 (KJV)
I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
2 Corinthians 7:10 (KJV)
For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

, but an unconfirmed stereotype here.

Again who are you talking about? The unrepentant homosexual? How many pharissees repented in the NT? I can remember only Nicodemous. I have found that homosexuals are even more "religious" about their sin than the pharisees were. No matter how much you show them the scriptures, they still refuse to admit they are sinning.

(I recognize that many thousands have left that lifestyle, but in all the hundreds that I've talked to over the years I've not found one that would repent.)

God has the eternal view and can say, yes this person is destined for repentance, with 100% certitude.

We are all destined for salvation (God is not willing that any should perish) but many of us (perhaps most) do not accept our destiny. (This has the potential to go into a huge and long discussion of predestination which would take us far off topic).

Yes God knows who will be saved.

If there are more stubborn homosexuals today it’s partly because Christians gave up the high ground, and part of such giving up is exactly such failings as this.

Disagree. There are more stubborn homosexuals today because we stopped preaching against it and started making them comfortable in their sin. There is no real restraint on perversion these days. The pervert does not lose his family, his job, his friends etc. He is not shamed out of society. So men are free to pursue their basest desires and then to demand that the rest of us celebrate those desires.

Open homosexuals should be shunned.

179 posted on 02/24/2014 12:11:02 PM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: John O

And I disagree with you.

I perceive that the modern championing of the sin was because Christians shrank back from the difficult and cross-laden task of leading these sinners back from their sins to a form of blessed life style. Might be virtuous singlehood. Might be faithful marriage. All they could do is think of what you have thought of — shame them out of society. Well, this got old after a while. And Satan stepped in with a “remedy” that supplanted the one that Christians shied away from furnishing. And it really isn’t that hard. Offer one’s members to God (the Father to be exact) as weapons of righteousness. With prayer. Don’t take the negative attitude (”pray the gay away”) so much as the positive one (”pray the straight to yourself.”)


180 posted on 02/24/2014 12:21:58 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: John O
(I recognize that many thousands have left that lifestyle, but in all the hundreds that I've talked to over the years I've not found one that would repent.)

This is a confusing claim. You need only go as far as Exodus International to find a self help group that is in fact involved in the process of repenting!

And God is angry that it should need a special purpose self help group. Why not every church in every town!

181 posted on 02/24/2014 12:26:49 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: John O

Also, it sounds like you may be implicitly putting special requirements on them that you in fact would not on other kinds of sinners. And they are very expectedly caused to stumble by that.

It is a long, arduous, cross-laden process. Not a finger snap.

Would like you like to learn approaches that work better?


182 posted on 02/24/2014 12:30:21 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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