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“Whoa!”: church renovation in Madison, Wisconsin ("Wow" seems more appropriate)
The Deacon's Bench ^ | March 12, 2014 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 03/12/2014 4:02:15 PM PDT by NYer

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To: TheZMan
Am I off-base to question whether the money that went toward this remodeling should’ve gone to feed the poor, the sick, and the hungry?

I believe the Bible has several verses about giving God our First fruits.

21 posted on 03/12/2014 4:44:07 PM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: sockmonkey

Thanks for the non-jerk answer. That makes sense.


22 posted on 03/12/2014 4:45:52 PM PDT by TheZMan (Buy more ammo.)
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To: NYer

The church is STUNNING. Love it.


23 posted on 03/12/2014 4:47:59 PM PDT by tioga
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To: cripplecreek

The church in our town is a very modern structure-—not my taste at all—but I guess it serves its purpose.

Can you tell I’m old—LOL!


24 posted on 03/12/2014 4:51:13 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: NYer

I’m sure God is impressed. /sarc


25 posted on 03/12/2014 5:00:59 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: basil
That church is absolutely gorgeous—and reminds me of how Catholic Churches used to look.

It's the way a Catholic Church should look! Call me old fashioned but I prefer the old and true.

26 posted on 03/12/2014 5:01:42 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: sneakers
Beautiful! I hope this is the start of a trend!

Me too, I have seen to many remodels that I could only describe as modern crapulous.

27 posted on 03/12/2014 5:04:24 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: basil; MinuteGal

This church is beautiful now. I can’t stand modern churches, or cold sterile ones. The dichotomy between Protestant and Catholic churches is that Protestant ones are cold and sterile, but the music is lush and gorgeous (the hymns), and the Catholic churches are often beautiful, but the music (with the exception of Gregorian chant), in particular the hymns, stink. Too bad there can’t be a blend of the two.


28 posted on 03/12/2014 5:08:04 PM PDT by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“Who hath known the mind of the Lord? Or who hath been his counsellor?” -Romans 11:34


29 posted on 03/12/2014 5:09:15 PM PDT by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: flaglady47

There’s no question that Catholic churches could use a renovation in the music department.


30 posted on 03/12/2014 5:13:52 PM PDT by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1!)
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To: flaglady47

The Catholic hymn that always cracks me is Let us drink bread together on our knees. The second verse is Let us drink wine together on our knees.

It just hits me as funny and I have to suppress at least a grin as we are singing it.

It wouldn’t bother me at all to use some of the old Protestant hymns in Mass. Many of them are lovely and have nice messages—Like the oldy “What a friend we have in Jesus”.


31 posted on 03/12/2014 5:15:01 PM PDT by basil (2ASisters.org)
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To: Mastador1
Me too, I have seen to many remodels that I could only describe as modern crapulous.

I have heard those described as wreckovations.

32 posted on 03/12/2014 5:42:29 PM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: verga

Wreckovation is ok, but I think my term is more descriptively correct, I’ve seen it done to more than one church around me.


33 posted on 03/12/2014 5:47:03 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: NYer

So glad to see this work of beauty and love.


34 posted on 03/12/2014 5:49:15 PM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: TheZMan

Completely off-base. No money should have been spent on wreckovating the church in the first place. Every penny spent on restoring it to what its original parishioners DONATED to have it look like is a wise spending of money.


35 posted on 03/12/2014 5:51:04 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Mastador1

I am convinced there is (or should be) a very special place in hell for people that reduce places of worship to architectural obscenity.


36 posted on 03/12/2014 5:53:16 PM PDT by verga (Poor spiritual health is often manifested with poor physical health.)
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To: basil

“Let us break bread together on our knees” is a black spiritual song. It is not a Catholic hymn.


37 posted on 03/12/2014 5:54:00 PM PDT by vladimir998
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To: TheZMan
No, I don't think your question is off-base, only maybe it suggests a zero-sum game, where anything given to the beauty of God's house of worship, takes away from charity to the needy: God as rival to the poor.

Actually, I think fervor for "acts of beauty" and "acts of charity" go hand in hand: they spring from the same generous hearts, who truly want to fulfill the Second Great Commandment as well as the First.

Plus, people of modest means give, willingly, for a beautiful sanctuary in which to enshrine God's Word and Sacrament. It's been truly said that St. Patrick's in New York was built by the $5 donations of house maids, cops and taxi drivers. They wanted the best, the most splendid and magnificent, to go to God.

In fact --- do this -- google Venerable "Pierre Toussaint," and read about the Haitian freed slave and hairdresser who help build Old St. Patrick's on Mott Street. He was stylist to some of the most stylish of New York's elite, and he used his earnings in the early 1800's to help other freed slaves, to educate orphans, to care for the sick and homeless, and to raise high the arches of New York's original cathedral on Mott Street. He's a wonderful example of an uncommon "common man" who was delighted to help "God's poor," and delighted to make His altars magnificent.

38 posted on 03/12/2014 6:20:41 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The world will be saved by Beauty." - Fyodor Dostoyevsky)
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To: NYer

Lovely, also nice to see the return of the communion rail.


39 posted on 03/12/2014 6:44:18 PM PDT by exPBRrat
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To: NYer

‘”Give me back my felt banners!” Said no one ever.’


40 posted on 03/12/2014 7:40:50 PM PDT by Oratam
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