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To: Rashputin

Do you know the history of the Church of Rome? What she has done to innocent people down through the centuries? Look at what’s been swept under the carpet. It’s that lump the size of an elephant in the middle of the room.


10 posted on 03/22/2014 6:32:25 AM PDT by Torahman (Remember the Maccabees!)
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To: Torahman
I know 7/8s of it is either outright lies or gross exaggerations and that the other 1/8th was done by people who called themselves Catholics even when they did what they dang well pleased in opposition to Church Teaching and/or were just dead wrong and in error that violated Church Teaching.

Naturally, those with heads they refuse to flush will continue to believe the propaganda right along with pretending to believe in "Scripture Alone" only after throwing out portions of the Bible with no Scriptural basis for doing so.

19 posted on 03/22/2014 6:59:15 AM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Torahman
Do you know the history of the Church of Rome? What she has done to innocent people down through the centuries? Look at what’s been swept under the carpet. It’s that lump the size of an elephant in the middle of the room.

That "sins of the fathers" stuff is a tribalist relic with no more utility than mindless bias towards Jews or accusations that Jewish cabals control all the world's finance and media. What matters is what is the tenor of the institution today, what it is doing to remain self-corrective (and lately it has had a lot of correcting to do and has made some promising steps) and whether people are working constructively to correct it.

There is no way for any human social institution (Catholic Christianity being one of the largest, oldest and most influential global social institutions) to remain stable if people want to continue to throw its past against it at a time when it has already taken steps to amend that past. It's like the current reverse racism going on 60 years after the end of Jim Crow and 150 years after the Civil War -- when will people say, "OK, the problem has been addressed, and we must all move forward to reconciliation" rather than "Because of the past, I'm a permanent victim entitled to special treatment."

Critics often overlook the vast amounts of good that the "offending" institution has done, such as in the above example, America's heroic stand for freedom and innovation in the world, balanced against its human rights issues that are under constant review and updating. Likewise, the RCC, with all its human flaws, has played many major positive roles in the development of Western civilization. I close with this quote from Einstein:

"Being a lover of freedom, when the [Nazi] revolution came, I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth; but no, the universities were immediately silenced. Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers, whose flaming editorials...had proclaimed their love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a few short weeks...
Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign for suppressing the truth... the Church alone has had the courage and persistence to stand for intellectual and moral freedom. I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise unreservedly.

In case you're wondering, I'm not Catholic.

65 posted on 03/22/2014 10:24:59 AM PDT by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: Torahman

Check out how many Catholics have been killed in England, France, Asia, South America.

In Mexico as portrayed in the Cristeros movie over 200,000 Catholics were killed alone.

Today we have a vivid reminder of that with the Catholics being killed in the middle east.

It might be good to update your knowledge now and then, don’t you think?


134 posted on 04/02/2014 10:06:38 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Torahman
Pope says its “absurd to love Christ without the Church, to listen to Christ but not the Church"
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135 posted on 04/02/2014 10:09:03 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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