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Yakutsk Mayor Urges to Return an Island Near Alaska to the Russian Church
Interfax ^ | 3/26/14

Posted on 03/26/2014 5:51:11 AM PDT by marshmallow

Moscow, March 26, Interfax - Head of Yakutsk, Aisen Nikolayev speaks for giving back to the Russian Church Spruse Island not far from Alaska.

He sent a corresponding address to Russian President Vladimir Putin, heads of both chambers of the Russian Parliament and to the Foreign Ministry, the Izvestia daily writes on Wednesday.

"I stand for restoring historical justice - returning of Spruse Island to its legal owners that is the Russian Orthodox Church," Nikolayev said.

According to him, the Church has undisputable rights on the island in compliance with the agreement on selling territories of Russian America to the USA.

"I have been keen on this story for a long time: Yakutsk scientists studied the documents and organized several expeditions to the USA. We celebrate the 220th anniversary of the Russian Orthodox mission in Northern America in 2014, I mean the Kodiak Mission. When, if not now, should we take up the question of Russian America?" Nikolayev wonders.

The edition notes that documents proving the right of the Church on the small island not far from Alaska were discovered by the Yakutsk scientific expedition in the archives of bibliographer Mikhail Vinokurov, who emigrated from Russia after revolution. The archive is kept in the library of Juneau town, Alaska.

The documents collected by Vinokurov include a certificate dated by 1868. It was signed by commissioner of the Russian government responsible for the transfer of North-American territories to the USA captain of the 2nd rank Alexey Peshchurov. The certificate says that Spruse Island (New Valaam), where St. Herman of Alaska lived, preached and was buried is conveyed to eternal use of the Russian Church. In October 1867, it was Peshchurov who signed the protocol on transferring Alaska and the Aleutian Island to the United States.


TOPICS: Ecumenism; History; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: russia; ukraine; viktoryanukovich; yuliatymoshenko

1 posted on 03/26/2014 5:51:11 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

So now Putin can add the USA to a list of about a dozen nations that he has territorial disputes with.


2 posted on 03/26/2014 5:55:00 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: Hostage

More importantly, if he stationed troops there, would Obama do anything?


3 posted on 03/26/2014 5:57:23 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: marshmallow

Alaska, all of it, was defended during WW2 by Americans from invasion by Japan. Americans died for it and it should not be surrendered to the Russian for any reason whatsoever. It would be like spitting of the graves of our GIs.


4 posted on 03/26/2014 6:01:15 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Freedom isn't free; nor is it easy. END ALL TOTALITARIAN ACTIVITY NOW.)
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To: marshmallow
I have no problem with American citizens who are members of the Russian Orthodox Church putting up a building there, after they have gone thru the complete EPA and building permit process that any other American would have to go thru, presuming that it hasn't already been declared a wildlife refuge, wetlands, or other spot sacred to the American Left.
5 posted on 03/26/2014 6:04:21 AM PDT by Pecos (The Chicago Way: Kill the Constitution, one step at a time.)
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To: marshmallow

Russia is acting like Russia.

They view themselves as the Third Rome. Nothing that was part of Holy Mother Russia can be anything else but part of it.

That means the majority of the North American West Coast and Hawaii.


6 posted on 03/26/2014 6:06:11 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marshmallow

I guess Russia wants this island because we have some nuke silos across the waterway?


7 posted on 03/26/2014 6:08:52 AM PDT by barmag25 (There is nothing that a man needs that he can't find in the North Georgia mountains.)
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To: marshmallow

Go ahead and take Russia...Who’s going to stop you! /s


8 posted on 03/26/2014 6:14:08 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: marshmallow

Here’s a link to the town there:

http://www.ouzinkie.org/


9 posted on 03/26/2014 6:20:08 AM PDT by fruser1
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To: marshmallow

If the russians want that island then let’s give them that island with the condition that ALL russians presently dwelling in the USA move there. It has become obvious that russians cannot be scattered throughout countries. They must be contained in one spot.

Free Brighton Beach!


10 posted on 03/26/2014 6:52:46 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: BuffaloJack

“It would be like spitting of the graves of our GIs.”

Oh, that will be a big consideration for Obama......


11 posted on 03/26/2014 6:55:10 AM PDT by G Larry (There's the Beef!)
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To: Gadsden1st
More importantly, if he stationed troops there, would Obama do anything?

That would be a resounding NO!

12 posted on 03/26/2014 7:23:29 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Hostage

The church is currently under the OCA (Orthodox Church in America), which was granted autocephaly BY the Russian Orthodox Church in 1970 by the Patriarch and 14 bishops. Not everyone recognized the status of autocephaly, but the RUSSIANS certainly did, as they are the ones who granted it in the first place.

I very seriously doubt the ROC will even begin to consider this, as it would open a huge can of worms for the synod coming up in two years.


13 posted on 03/26/2014 7:34:21 AM PDT by cizinec
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To: cizinec

ROCOR and ROC are still not united completely I believe.

Yes it would open a can of worms.

Unfortunately ROC has a history of having abetted KGB against ROC members.

Where do you think it stands?


14 posted on 03/26/2014 8:07:14 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; cardinal4; ColdOne; ...

Thanks marshmallow.


15 posted on 03/26/2014 8:28:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: marshmallow

Wow Zero can hand Alaska back to Russia

While he’s at it can hand the original 13 states back to
Britian, Louisana to France, Texas & Cal to Mexico......


16 posted on 03/26/2014 8:53:26 AM PDT by njslim (T)
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To: marshmallow

This won’t end until Moscow is a radioactive crater. If we had a real leader, he would have stood up to Putler early on and things would not be escalating like they are.


17 posted on 03/26/2014 9:32:31 AM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Ted Cruz 2016)
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To: BuffaloJack

The current occupant of The White House has already demonstrated he has no problem spitting on the graves of our GIs...


18 posted on 03/26/2014 9:35:38 AM PDT by elteemike (Light travels faster than sound...That's why so many people appear bright until you hear them speak!)
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To: njslim

Considering what rat-Putin has done with Crimea and so easily, obama can single handedly destroy America with a flick of his wrist.

This is beyond nightmares.


19 posted on 03/26/2014 9:36:12 AM PDT by 1_Rain_Drop
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To: marshmallow

Dear Russia:

Bugger Off!

Sincerely,

North Mountain


20 posted on 03/26/2014 9:38:09 AM PDT by NorthMountain
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To: Gadsden1st
More importantly, if he stationed troops there, would Obama do anything?

Is the island big enough to accommodate a bomber runway?

21 posted on 03/26/2014 10:08:25 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (Democrats--the party of Evil. Republicans--the party of Stupid.)
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To: marshmallow
This is an intra-church quarrel over who holds certain peaceable use and other property rights to tracts of land on a very small island south of Admiralty Island in the Alaskan panhandle.

A cursory glance at any potential lawsuit over the chain of title - as essential a concept in our civilization as any other natural right - doesn't seem to have much future in any American court.

The larger property right holder is probably the Department of Interior through the Tongass National Forest.

Is there a viable Russian Orthodox congregation on Spruce?

22 posted on 03/26/2014 11:38:34 AM PDT by Prospero (Si Deus trucido mihi, ego etiam fides Deus.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

Ouzinkie Airport covers an area of 170 acres (69 ha) at an elevation of 100 feet (30 m) above mean sea level. It has one runway designated 8/26 with a gravel surface measuring 3,300 by 60 feet (1,006 x 18 m).[1]

Looks like plenty of room to extend it.

Right next to Kodiak.


23 posted on 03/26/2014 1:02:05 PM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Hostage
There was a small schism in ROCOR, but ROCOR is effectively in communion with Moscow.

I honestly don't think the ROC will push anything against the OCA. The EP claims Russia did not have the right to grant autocephaly because they didn't have jurisdiction over the Americas. If they come back and claim it is *not* autocephalous, they are admitting they didn't have the power to grant it.

The OCA is kind of a mess right now, anyway, and the Antiochians are, by far, the fastest growing EO churches in the US. The Antiochians are much closer to the EP than the MP. If the MP pushed, he'd lose what little influence over the US Orthodox he already has.

24 posted on 03/26/2014 4:18:54 PM PDT by cizinec
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To: Prospero
The chapel itself belongs to the Orthodox Church in America, which was (controversially) granted autocephaly by Moscow in 1970. IOW, the MP gave up all claims to the land in 1970.

The number who attend service there does not affect the question of ownership.

25 posted on 03/26/2014 4:27:41 PM PDT by cizinec
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To: cizinec

“There was a small schism in ROCOR, but ROCOR is effectively in communion with Moscow.”

Yes this is what I understood also, that there was an agreement for ROCOR to fold in under the MP but many remained skeptical and circumspect.

Now with Putin’s antics I am thinking the skeptics inside ROCOR are asserting themselves. ROCOR has an illustrious history of standing up to the Soviet KGB.

I had always suspected the KGB inside of Putin’s character was waiting to get out and now it has surfaced for all to see with the old Soviet style propaganda in full operation, the warnings to eastern bloc nations, arrests of journalists and priests and so on.

I hope ROCOR resurrects their international organization outside Russia because I believe the MP is or will be under Putin’s control, just as it was in the Soviet era.


26 posted on 03/26/2014 4:50:10 PM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: marshmallow

Take a long walk on a short pier.


27 posted on 03/27/2014 8:34:49 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: Red White and Blue patriot

That would be mutually assured destruction. Not particularly a great idea.

Some of this stuff is overblown hype.


28 posted on 03/27/2014 8:41:43 AM PDT by dforest
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To: 1_Rain_Drop

Obama needs to be impeached.


29 posted on 03/27/2014 10:47:51 AM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Ted Cruz 2016)
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To: dforest

Better dead than Red.


30 posted on 03/27/2014 10:48:07 AM PDT by Red White and Blue patriot (USA all the way. Love it or Leave it. Ted Cruz 2016)
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