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How a Protestant spin machine hid the truth about the English Reformation
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk ^ | May 23, 2014 | Dominic Selwood

Posted on 05/25/2014 4:39:43 PM PDT by NKP_Vet

Today, May 23, is the anniversary of King Henry VIII’s divorce from Catherine of Aragon —­ the event which started the English Reformation.

In 2003, Charles Clarke, Tony Blair’s Secretary of State for Education and Skills, expressed strong views on the teaching of British history.

I don’t mind there being some medievalists around for ornamental purposes, but there is no reason for the state to pay for them.

In response, Michael Biddiss, professor of medieval history at Reading University, suggested that Mr Clarke’s view may have been informed by Khrushchev’s notion that historians are dangerous people, capable of upsetting everything.­­­­­

In many ways, Khrushchev was correct. Historians can be a distinct threat —­ both those who create “official” history, and those who work quietly to unpick it, filling in the irksome and unhelpful details.

(Excerpt) Read more at blogs.telegraph.co.uk ...


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To: Dallas59

Perhaps you don’t pray to the Saints in Heaven because you failed to read St. Paul’s letters asking us to pray for one another and that not even bodily death separates us from the Body of Christ. If you have ever asked any one to pray for you, or for something, you have done the same thing Catholics do when they pray to the Saints. Same thing.


21 posted on 05/25/2014 5:14:53 PM PDT by impimp
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To: NKP_Vet

Shame on you.


22 posted on 05/25/2014 5:16:30 PM PDT by DManA
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To: NKP_Vet

Henry never divorced Catherine.


23 posted on 05/25/2014 5:17:18 PM PDT by hecht (america 9/11, Israel 24/7)
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To: driftdiver

This thread must be more of that anti-Catholic hatred I keep hearing about./s


24 posted on 05/25/2014 5:18:05 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: NKP_Vet

Excuse me? Hid the truth?

I doubt it very much.

More like they were slaughtered by the Kings daughter Bloody Mary, until Elizabeth took the kings new religion and turned it into a liberal version of Catholicism.

This was my summary on what happened in England.

“To Jesus Christ I commend my soul; Lord Jesus receive my soul.” With her last words still lingering in the air a skilled swordsman, brought over from France, beheaded the reason for England’s reformation. King Henry wanted an annulment from his wife, who had not given him a male heir, so he could marry Anne Boleyn. In time she too would fail to give the King a son.

Interestingly, shortly before her execution on charges of adultery, the Queen’s marriage to the King was dissolved and declared invalid. One would wonder then how she could have committed adultery if she had in fact never been married to the King. Henry the VIII’s desire for a male heir to his throne led England on a path that would eventually lead to what English churchman would call a “Via Media”.

Henry wanted freedom from the Popes authority but he still insisted his kingdom follow the Catholic doctrine, with only two changes. He wanted an English Bible used in all churches, and the suppression of the unpopular monasteries. The King eventually put forth regulations that only the wealthy and aristocrats could read the Bible, and confiscated the property of many small monasteries adding their money to his royal treasury.

Upon the death of Henry’s son Edward VI, Mary Tudor, known in history as “Bloody Mary”, would attempt to restore Roman Catholicism in England. After almost three hundred executions, including that of Archbishop Thomas Crammer, Queen Mary had reversed most of what Henry and Edward had done. Mary died after only reigning five years and the daughter of the beheaded Anne Boleyn would assume the throne.

Queen Elizabeth, whom Mary’s cousin Charles V warned her to execute, not only reversed all of Mary’s policies against the Protestants, but she went farther in her reforms then Henry did. Elizabeth had a policy of theological inclusivism that had no room for Roman Catholicism or extreme Protestantism. Her ideal church was a state church that practiced uniform doctrine that united the kingdom in common worship. Elizabeth’s “Thirty-nine Articles” was essentially Protestant but worded in such a way that satisfied both Catholic’s and Protestants or, “Via Media”.

With the end of persecutions many Protestants who fled during Mary’s reign returned to England, only to find Elizabeth’s religious reforms did not go far enough. With Bibles such as Tyndale’s, Wyclif’s, and others that were written with the help of the newly acquired Greek documents, a new group of believers would emerge.

This new group influenced also by Calvin and other reformers from the mainland, believed in restoring the pure practices and doctrines of the New Testament thus their name the “Puritans”. These Puritans would eventually become a driving force in English religious life and lead the way to religious freedom and the “New World”.


25 posted on 05/25/2014 5:18:57 PM PDT by OneVike (I'm just a Christian waiting for a ride home)
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To: impimp; Dallas59

“If you have ever asked any one to pray for you, or for something, you have done the same thing Catholics do when they pray to the Saints. Same thing.”

Not even close. Asking another living person to pray for you is far different then someone who has died.


26 posted on 05/25/2014 5:19:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CatherineofAragon

Its too bad the effort isn’t put into spreading the word of Jesus’s sacrafice and path to salvation.


27 posted on 05/25/2014 5:21:24 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: impimp

America isn’t a church denomination.


28 posted on 05/25/2014 5:22:01 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: driftdiver

I’m still trying to figure out why I would pray to a saint in heaven asking for intercession when I can just pray to Jesus with my prayer request. I just eliminate the middle man, as it were.

When I ask someone to pray for me, I’m assured that they can hear me ... I have no such assurance that anyone, besides the G_d, can even hear my prayer.


29 posted on 05/25/2014 5:22:55 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: driftdiver

Romans 8:38


30 posted on 05/25/2014 5:23:34 PM PDT by impimp
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To: CatherineofAragon

LOL. This is pure roman aggression. And ugly.


31 posted on 05/25/2014 5:24:48 PM PDT by DManA
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To: driftdiver

If someone is in Heaven they are not dead - they are alive.


32 posted on 05/25/2014 5:28:06 PM PDT by impimp
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To: doc1019
I’m still trying to figure out why I would pray to a saint in heaven asking for intercession when I can just pray to Jesus with my prayer request. I just eliminate the middle man, as it were.

Because it is completely scriptural: Revelation 8:3-4 Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all God's people, on the golden altar in front of the throne.The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of God's people, went up before God from the angel's hand.

34 posted on 05/25/2014 5:33:56 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatrian)
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To: verga

Doesn’t answer my original question. I pray to Jesus for all my needs, I see no need to pray to anyone else. Just say’n


35 posted on 05/25/2014 5:37:21 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: doc1019

The Roman Catholic Church is the oldest most profitable mutli-national corporation on the planet


36 posted on 05/25/2014 5:40:56 PM PDT by slapshot
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To: slapshot

Got that right.


37 posted on 05/25/2014 5:42:36 PM PDT by doc1019
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To: driftdiver
"Its too bad the effort isn’t put into spreading the word of Jesus’s sacrafice and path to salvation."

Agreed.

38 posted on 05/25/2014 5:42:44 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: DManA

It’s sad, really.


39 posted on 05/25/2014 5:43:18 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males---the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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To: doc1019

Because you’re not allowed to speak to Jesus directly. See how divisive these kinds of articles are.

Sowing discord among the saints.


40 posted on 05/25/2014 5:43:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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