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Two priests shot at Valley church (Phoenix FSSP)
AZFamily News ^ | June 12, 2014 | Jason Volentine

Posted on 06/12/2014 7:12:20 AM PDT by pbear8

One priest is dead and another in critical condition after a violent altercation at a downtown Phoenix church, according to Phoenix police.

(Excerpt) Read more at azfamily.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Prayer; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: catholic; fssp; murder; priest
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Please pray for these priests.
1 posted on 06/12/2014 7:12:20 AM PDT by pbear8
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To: pbear8

More information:
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/06/urgent-prayer-request-fssp-priests.html


2 posted on 06/12/2014 7:18:43 AM PDT by mom3boys
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To: mom3boys

The victims have been identified as Father Kenneth Walker, 29, and Father Joseph Terra, 56.
Phoenix Police Sgt. Steve Martos said Terra called 911 from Mother of Mercy Mission Catholic Church near 15th Avenue and Van Buren Street at around 9 p.m. Wednesday. Police arrived to find two priests badly injured in the cuhrch’s living quarters.
Based on Terra’s call, they believe this might have been a botched burglary.


Police said the suspect or suspects also stole a vehicle from the church — a 2003 Mazda Tribute with the Arizona license plate AYK1358. That car, which belonged to Walker, was discovered about two blocks from the church shortly after 11 p.m.
Investigators have not said what kind of evidence technicians gathered from the car.
The suspect or suspects, who have yet to be identified, are still on the loose and considered dangerous


3 posted on 06/12/2014 7:25:22 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pbear8

I wonder if they were shot in a gun free zone.


4 posted on 06/12/2014 7:25:38 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Salvation

Prayers for Father Walker’s family and for the repose of his soul.

Also prayers for Father Terra’s full recovery.


5 posted on 06/12/2014 7:28:18 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer; Salvation

Please ping your lists. Prayers needed for these priests.


6 posted on 06/12/2014 7:38:48 AM PDT by reegs
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To: Salvation

Dear Jesus, Lord in heaven, please receive into your embrace the soul of Father Walker who served you with every strength of his being and for Father Terra, who we all pray survives this awful assault, so he can continue your holy goals.

In in Tucson. One of my favorite churches (although, good Father Troutman retired this month), has signs that say the church is a gun-free zone. This is the church where the little girl died at the hands of the crazed shooter that wounded Rep. Giffords. They never learn.


7 posted on 06/12/2014 7:47:30 AM PDT by lulu16 (May the Good Lord take a liking to you!)
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To: pbear8

In ancient ROME, people who robbed temples were thrown to the wild beasts in the arena.


8 posted on 06/12/2014 7:55:15 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Salvation

Prayers up.


9 posted on 06/12/2014 8:16:27 AM PDT by Bigg Red (31 May 2014: Obamugabe officially declares the USA a vanquished subject of the Global Caliphate.)
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To: mom3boys
Also, Father Z. has a post: PHOENIX: FSSP priest shot and killed, another critically injured
10 posted on 06/12/2014 8:18:56 AM PDT by ELS
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To: pbear8; nickcarraway; NYer; ELS; Pyro7480; livius; ArrogantBustard; Catholicguy; RobbyS; ...

Prayer Ping for these priests.


11 posted on 06/12/2014 8:19:34 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
In ancient ROME, people who robbed temples were thrown to the wild beasts in the arena.

Works for me.

12 posted on 06/12/2014 8:20:36 AM PDT by ELS
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To: pbear8

This is so horrible. I will pray.


13 posted on 06/12/2014 8:25:27 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Eternal rest grant unto him, O Lord, and let perpetual light shine upon him.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
In ancient ROME, people who robbed temples were thrown to the wild beasts in the arena.

Nowadays they are the wild beasts in the arena.

14 posted on 06/12/2014 8:27:31 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Salvation

Prayers for this young priest, may he RIP. Prayers for the complete healing of the surviving priest.


15 posted on 06/12/2014 8:28:42 AM PDT by tioga (WFTD...be there or be square.)
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To: pbear8
I have friends who are parishioners there.

http://www.phoenixlatinmass.org/

16 posted on 06/12/2014 8:38:37 AM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Mastador1

Really not an appropriate remark. May God have mercy on you.


17 posted on 06/12/2014 8:42:28 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: pbear8

This is heartbreaking. What kind of person breaks into a rectory and kills, and/or tries to kill, 2 priests? The churches give away money to those in need. This was so totally unnecessary.


18 posted on 06/12/2014 8:44:17 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: pbear8

Prayers sent for these fine priests and their families.


19 posted on 06/12/2014 8:48:24 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Mastador1

Just about anyone was thrown to the wild beasts in ancient Rome. The normal day’s schedule at the Coliseum was divided into three parts. The morning began with light fare, including Venationes (beast hunts) and Bestiarii, or animal torture. Next came the Ludi Meridian, or Meridianii, a divertissement consisting the executions of of criminals or anyone, including Christians, often by wild beasts. Finally, starting in the late afternoon, came the Gladiators, with whom we are all familiar.


20 posted on 06/12/2014 8:50:46 AM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: EDINVA

It is heartbreaking, just yesterday I on the phone with 3 different clerics. I pray for them daily, I know they have targets on their backs.


21 posted on 06/12/2014 8:54:04 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I have friends who are parishioners there.

They must be devastated.

22 posted on 06/12/2014 8:56:09 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: Salvation
Not appropriate? In what way is comparing an animal that would shoot two Priests to the wild beasts in a Roman arena not appropriate? Should I have shown Christian charity and referred to the perpetrator as a misguided individual? Sorry, I'm not a perfect soul, I believe in the death penalty and retribution on earth. If that makes me a bad person I'll just have to answer to God. May the Lord hold and keep the departed and speed the healing of the wounded Priest!
23 posted on 06/12/2014 9:09:28 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Salvation

May Almighty God receive the soul of his servant, Father Kenneth Walker, and provide his relatives, friends, and parishoners with His Peace. May He heal Father Joseph Terra, and make him whole, and Grant His Grace to all who grieve over this event. I ask this in the Holy Name of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


24 posted on 06/12/2014 9:11:01 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Mastador1

You are referring to the priests being the beasts, correct?


25 posted on 06/12/2014 9:12:49 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mastador1
IF, and it's a big if, there was anything inappropriate in your post, it was only in the sense that Twain was trying to exemplify in The Mysterious Stranger

..." Then they drove splinter after splinter under his nails, and he shrieked with the pain. Satan was not disturbed, but I could not endure it, and had to be whisked out of there. I was faint and sick, but the fresh air revived me, and we walked toward my home. I said it was a brutal thing.

"No, it was a human thing. You should not insult the brutes by such a misuse of that word; they have not deserved it," and he went on talking like that." It is like your paltry race - always lying, always claiming virtues which it hasn't got, always denying them to the higher animals, which alone posses them. No brute ever does a cruel thing - that is the monopoly of those with the Moral Sense. When a brute inflicts pain he does it innocently; it is not wrong; for him there is no such thing as wrong. And he does not inflict pain for the pleasure of inflicting it - only man does that."

26 posted on 06/12/2014 9:18:07 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Salvation
Not appropriate? In what way is comparing an animal that would shoot two Priests to the wild beasts in a Roman arena not appropriate?

In what way did this statement not make it acutely clear what I meant when I responded to Ruy Dias de Bivar statement that the thieves/killer would have been thrown to the beasts in the arena in ancient Rome? Neither one of our statements could be remotely construed as referring to the victims/Priests.

27 posted on 06/12/2014 9:18:47 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Mastador1

**In ancient ROME, people who robbed temples were thrown to the wild beasts in the arena.
Nowadays they are the wild beasts in the arena.**

You used the word “they”. I understood that to mean the priests.


28 posted on 06/12/2014 9:25:17 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Mastador1

your meaning was crystal-clear. And shared.


29 posted on 06/12/2014 9:32:00 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Salvation

I can’t help that, I was commenting on statement that clearly spoke to the thieves and not anyone else. Have a wonderful day.


30 posted on 06/12/2014 9:33:35 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: Smokin' Joe; Salvation

O God, Thou didst raise Thy servant, Kenneth,
to the sacred priesthood of Jesus Christ,
according to the Order of Melchisedech,
giving him the sublime power to offer the Eternal Sacrifice,
to bring the Body and Blood of Thy Son Jesus Christ down upon the altar,
and to absolve the sins of men in Thine own Holy Name:

We beseech Thee to reward his faithfulness and to forget his faults,
admitting him speedily into Thy Holy Presence,
there to enjoy forever the recompense of his labors.
This we ask through Jesus Christ Thy Son, our Lord.
Amen.


31 posted on 06/12/2014 9:45:50 AM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: from occupied ga

Whatever. Hey, they’re only Catholics, so what’s the big deal?

/s/ for the non-discerning.


32 posted on 06/12/2014 9:49:02 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Mastador1; Salvation
In what way did this statement not make it acutely clear what I meant when I responded to Ruy Dias de Bivar statement that the thieves/killer would have been thrown to the beasts in the arena in ancient Rome? Neither one of our statements could be remotely construed as referring to the victims/Priests.

Not sure what the hullabaloo is all about. I read it the way Mastador1 describes here.

33 posted on 06/12/2014 9:51:19 AM PDT by Gamecock (#BringTheAdultsBackToDC)
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To: EDINVA

Well, for starters, why shouldn’t we automatically ask whether or not it was done by an angry homosexual?

That’ll be my position until evidence proves otherwise.

And don’t bother condemning or “may God have mercy on” me. We’re at war.


34 posted on 06/12/2014 9:51:45 AM PDT by DPMD
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To: Salvation

“Prayers for Father Walker’s family and for the repose of his soul.

Also prayers for Father Terra’s full recovery”

prayers

I also pray for who did this to be caught


35 posted on 06/12/2014 10:44:34 AM PDT by aimee5291
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar; Mastador1

They threw Christian and priests into the arena. So you are saying these priests got what they deserved? Since the reference is clearly to pre-Christian Rome, that’s what the reference suggests.


36 posted on 06/12/2014 11:03:38 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: pbear8

Praying. The FSSP trains good and holy priests.


37 posted on 06/12/2014 11:09:28 AM PDT by informavoracious (Open your eyes, people!)
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To: nickcarraway
Is English your second language? Did you not actually read the comments or what? I suggest you actually read the comments word for word and if you still can't differentiate between thieves and Priests I can't help you. And the reference clearly suggests it was about thieves!

In ancient ROME, people who robbed temples were thrown to the wild beasts in the arena.

Or are you suggesting that in ancient Rome Priests robbed temples?

38 posted on 06/12/2014 11:11:33 AM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: nickcarraway

he didn’t even speak of the food, but rather the eaters. It’s odd - in my perspective - how this is misread.


39 posted on 06/12/2014 11:12:05 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Mastador1

Actually, English was my field of study. Maybe you should study history. Rome was trying to exterminate all Christians. So making a pro-Christian reference to that time perios is extremely bizarre and wrong.


40 posted on 06/12/2014 11:16:57 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

See post #40.


41 posted on 06/12/2014 11:17:36 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

came right after #39


42 posted on 06/12/2014 11:18:13 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa

When you make a reference to Catholics and priests and comparing it to a time of ancient Rome when such people were trying to be exterminated, expect it to be interpreted in a certain way. I think you are being naive to think otherwise.


43 posted on 06/12/2014 11:21:17 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

except when you refer to priest-killing criminals as beasts that destroy Christians. Then it kinda makes, oh - all the sense in the world.


44 posted on 06/12/2014 11:23:45 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; nickcarraway; Mastador1; Salvation
Dear Gentlepeople,

Whatever misinterpretations may have occurred, the only thing that is important is praying for these two priests and for all of our priests. We know that they have targets on their backs. Stand down, breathe deeply and pray to God our Loving Father in the Name of His Most Beloved Son.

45 posted on 06/12/2014 11:30:54 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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To: pbear8

Of course you are very, very right; amen and thank you pbear


46 posted on 06/12/2014 11:33:12 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Hegewisch Dupa; Mastador1
I hate to use this type of analogy, but apparently it's the only way to clarify the situation for you:

Just like if you tried to use an analogy about Nazi Germany in about punishing someone who killed 2 rabbis, it wouldn't work. Because a hallmark of Nazis was their hatred for Jews. So using an empire who had a hallmark of hating Christians, including killing them in unpleasant ways is not going to work. Especially referencing one of the ways they killed them. (I still see people walking around with t-shirts that say, "So many Christians, so little lions)

47 posted on 06/12/2014 11:37:28 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

Under the old Imperial Roman system, temple robbers were thrown to wild beasts.

The priests were not temple robbers, and the early Christians suffered because they were robbing GLORY from the Emperor.


48 posted on 06/12/2014 12:16:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

All I can say is, I find it very unusual that you find that period of Rome worthy of emulation. I couldn’t disagree with you more, and most Christians would agree with me.


49 posted on 06/12/2014 12:23:42 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
It's amazing how you want to blow this up into something that never existed! You take a comment where a negative was wished to the perpetrator and insist that it was directed at the Priests and then like dog with a bone you just can't let it go! for the last time for the love of God, I don't care about your history lessons or interpretations, the intent was bad things to happen to the shooter/shooters and God bless the survivor and the poor soul who died. Done, finished, through, find a new bone.
50 posted on 06/12/2014 1:42:00 PM PDT by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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