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"Jesus Was Not a “Bible Believer” let Alone an Evangelical" (F-word warning)
Frank Schaeffer/Patheos ^ | 7/22/14 | Frank Schaeffer

Posted on 07/22/2014 2:22:53 PM PDT by Faith Presses On

Jesus certainly was not a “Bible believer,” as we use that term in the post Billy Graham era of American fundamentalist religiosity that’s used as a trade-marked product to sell religion. Jesus didn’t take the Jewish scriptures at face value. In fundamentalist terms, Jesus was a rule-breaking relativist who wasn’t even “saved,” according to evangelical standards. Evangelicals insist that you have to believe very specific interpretations of the Bible to be saved. Jesus didn’t. He undercut the scriptures.

A leper came to Jesus and said, “Lord, if you choose, you can make me clean.” If Jesus had been a good religious Jew, he would have said, “Be healed,” and just walked away. Instead, he stretched out his hand and touched the leper, saying, “I do choose. Be made clean,” even though he was breaking the specific rules of Leviticus. Two chapters teach that anyone touching a person with leprosy is contaminated.

The stories about Jesus that survived the bigots, opportunists and delusional fanatics who wrote the New Testament contain powerful and enlightened truths that would someday prove the undoing of the Church built in his name. Like a futurist vindicated by events as yet undreamed, Jesus’ message of love was far more powerful than the magical thinking of the writers of the book he’s trapped in. In Jesus’ day the institutions of religion, state, misogyny and myth were so deeply ingrained that the ultimate dangerousness of his life example could not be imagined. For example his feminism, probably viewed as an eccentricity in his day, would prove transformational.

Jesus believed in God rather than in a book about God. The message of Jesus’ life is an intervention in and an acceleration of the evolution of empathy...

(Excerpt) Read more at patheos.com ...


TOPICS: General Discusssion
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To: Salvation
OSAS is a false doctrine. It doesn’t take into account the gift of Free Will that God gives to all mankind.

That's willful ignorance...

This scripture has been posted to you several times...

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Jesus says we HAVE everlasting life, right now, and will NOT come into condemnation...

61 posted on 07/22/2014 5:20:44 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: Karl Spooner
Here's an FE thread.

What if ‘Once Saved, Always Saved’ is Wrong?

62 posted on 07/22/2014 5:26:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool

If you worship the false Christ when he appears, you are in deep do do. Salvation is out the door. That is the context of the story.


63 posted on 07/22/2014 5:35:43 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Salvation

No I won’t go there. I want you on record.


64 posted on 07/22/2014 5:37:35 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Salvation
Oops

Here's an FE R thread.

65 posted on 07/22/2014 5:42:00 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Iscool

Seriously? Where does it say Catholics pray to people in hell?


66 posted on 07/22/2014 5:48:23 PM PDT by STJPII
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To: STJPII
Seriously? Where does it say Catholics pray to people in hell?

If you read the bible carfully, there isn't a Hell yet. That will take place after the great White Throne Judgment.

67 posted on 07/22/2014 5:57:48 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Salvation

So, what about Pelosi, Biden, and all the other ‘Catholic’ abortionists out there, Salvation? Is there a ‘burning in hell’ especially designated for them? Does their sactioning murder via legislation and in their political dogma exempt them from eternal punishment?


68 posted on 07/22/2014 5:57:50 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Gen.Blather
Thirty years after His death ???

Bought any fresh mushrooms from a local picker lately?

69 posted on 07/22/2014 5:59:05 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: GGpaX4DumpedTea

Deep do do I fear. They will go up like spit on a hot stove when their time runs out.


70 posted on 07/22/2014 6:05:56 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Karl Spooner

How is that relevant to my asking Iscool to source his allegations that Catholics pray to people?


71 posted on 07/22/2014 6:06:20 PM PDT by STJPII
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To: mountainlion
"If a scribe made a mistake he was beaten and the scroll destroyed in a ritual"

I doubt that. Can you give me chapter and verse on that?

72 posted on 07/22/2014 6:10:00 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Credulity means believing something on little evidence, on no evidence, or against the evidence.)
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To: STJPII; Iscool
How is that relevant to my asking Iscool to source his allegations that Catholics pray to people?

It didn't take you long to misquote him, did it?

73 posted on 07/22/2014 6:10:46 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: Gamecock
Not sure what you're saying here. Whose Roman Catholic indoctrination?
74 posted on 07/22/2014 6:16:52 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Credulity means believing something on little evidence, on no evidence, or against the evidence.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Can you give me chapter and verse on that?

This punishment may be just for temple scrolls. I forgot. It is a historical practice. They were so afraid of changing a “jot or tittle” that they went to extreme measures.


75 posted on 07/22/2014 6:35:06 PM PDT by mountainlion (Live well for those that did not make it back.)
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To: Faith Presses On

UMM...Jesus was God and therefore knew all the answers to everything.


76 posted on 07/22/2014 6:36:52 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Gamecock
It all fits Roman Catholic indoctrination.

the Catholic church is the ONLY true source of biblical interpretation.. The groups that spang up in the 1500's and 1600's, and since, can only misinterpret what the Catholics had been teaching for 2,014 and more years.

77 posted on 07/22/2014 6:50:20 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Karl Spooner
If you read the bible carfully, there isn't a Hell yet. That will take place after the great White Throne Judgment.

oh good grief...

78 posted on 07/22/2014 7:02:06 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: STJPII
How is that relevant to my asking Iscool to source his allegations that Catholics pray to people?

What? you don't pray to St. Christopher to keep you from getting a flat tire when you are driving down the road...

I get it from Catholics...There are numerous examples on the internet where there are prayers written by Catholics to Mary and the numerous Saints...Some of them have been posted on FR many times...

79 posted on 07/22/2014 7:08:32 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: terycarl
UMM...Jesus was God and therefore knew all the answers to everything.

Not true...The bible could be your friend...

80 posted on 07/22/2014 7:10:13 PM PDT by Iscool
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