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Victoria Osteen Ripped for Telling Church 'Just Do Good For Your Own Self'; Worship Is Not for God.'
Christian Post ^ | 08/30/2014 | Leonardo Blair

Posted on 08/30/2014 7:00:33 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: GreyFriar

Ping. I think she should have said God doesn’t need our worship. We need to worship God.


61 posted on 08/30/2014 8:34:36 PM PDT by zot
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To: montag813

Roger that. It makes me ill when I see those postings.


62 posted on 08/30/2014 8:37:32 PM PDT by Smellin Salt
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To: prisoner6
Besides the man burns on The Playa soon.

Don't breathe too much alkali dust...

63 posted on 08/30/2014 8:39:43 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Looks like the winds have died down.

Live stream

http://www.ustream.tv/burningman

Should burn any minute.


64 posted on 08/30/2014 8:41:25 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Stop the Stupid)
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To: montag813

Hear! Hear!


65 posted on 08/30/2014 8:41:48 PM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood.)
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To: metmom

God doesn’t want our worship, God wants our obedience.

I see the relationship with God much like the relationship between a parent and their children.

I tell my children what they should do, and what they should not do.

I do this out of love so that they can live happier, healthier, wealthier, longer, more fullfilled lives.

If they listen to what I tell them, it will make me happy because they they are happy.

Thus it is with God.


66 posted on 08/30/2014 8:43:56 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: ravenwolf

No you were taking the patriarchal position that women should just shut up.

Last time I checked Joel is an idiot, and he, is a he, not a she.

So what difference does it make between the Olsteen’s if she says something stupid when Joel, the dude, says stupid or evil stuff all the time.


67 posted on 08/30/2014 8:45:16 PM PDT by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept? Vive Deo et Vives)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
Posted this many times before on these bashing threads.

The Measure of a Man

The measure of a man isn't his wealth, or how he looks or speaks.

The measure of a man is how he uses his God given strengths to:

Provide for his family
Help his neighbors and
Take care of himself.

When he does these things to the best of his ability he honors God and he is a Man.

68 posted on 08/30/2014 8:53:53 PM PDT by prisoner6 (Stop the Stupid)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I don’t get what’s wrong with what she said?


I had to give this some thought, you are right, if we obey God we will be better off in the long run but happy? i am not convinced Jesus taught anything like that.

Does God want every one to be happy? I can think of a few things that would make me happy but I am afraid God would disapprove.

So I am not in disagreement with you but every one is different, some times keeping God happy with me does not make me happy.

Obviously it does not keep Victori happy either because she was told by paul not to preach or teach in Church, but she is happy not paying any attention to what Paul said even though being a protestant she most likely believes Paul to be the father of Christianity.


69 posted on 08/30/2014 8:56:24 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s)
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To: ravenwolf
well.. you have a point that being better off doesn't necessarily mean you are happy.

But I would argue that when you are better off you are in a much better position to be happy than if you are:

- divorced because you committed adultery.
- in jail because you robbed someone
- being evicted because you went into debt
- dying of AIDS because you had sex outside of marriage
- greedy and have never experienced the joy of giving to someone who is truly deserving and appreciative.
- hated by everyone because you are liar and a gossip.
- are filled with envy of what others have and thus can never find joy with what you do have.

70 posted on 08/30/2014 9:09:13 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: DariusBane

No you were taking the patriarchal position that women should just shut up.

Last time I checked Joel is an idiot, and he, is a he, not a she.

So what difference does it make between the Olsteen’s if she says something stupid when Joel, the dude, says stupid or evil stuff all the time.


I don`t know anything about the Olsteens so I have no idea if he is an idiot or stupid or evil or not, and I did not say he was a she or she was a he or any thing like that so I don`t know where you are coming from, maybe I am just not understanding your lingo.

And I am not taking any patriarchal position, I am just saying what Paul said anf if Victoria knew enough about scripture to be preaching she would know that she is not to preach or teach in Church.

I believe the part that we should look at real good is the happy part, if she is happy doing what God said why is she doing what he said not to do?

I thought sinners such as I am are the only ones who were happy doing what God said not to do.


71 posted on 08/30/2014 9:13:50 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”(Jn 4:23–24).


72 posted on 08/30/2014 9:37:23 PM PDT by Revelation Concepts
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To: SeekAndFind

I’m glad someone posted an article about Osteen as the regular daily Osteen devotionals are off limits to comment on. He is a charlatan and a fraud. I also wish those daily postings would be banned from FR as what Osteen represents is a false doctrine.


73 posted on 08/30/2014 9:45:34 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: TexasFreeper2009

But I would argue that when you are better off you are in a much better position to be happy than if you are:

- divorced because you committed adultery.
- in jail because you robbed someone
- being evicted because you went into debt
- dying of AIDS because you had sex outside of marriage
- greedy and have never experienced the joy of giving to someone who is truly deserving and appreciative.
- hated by everyone because you are liar and a gossip.
- are filled with envy of what others have and thus can never find joy with what you do have.


I agree but I think even a non believer would also agree, so I am not sure what if anything it has to do with making ones self happy by worshipping God.

And secondly I believe the only way we can worship god is to keep his commandments.


74 posted on 08/30/2014 9:55:58 PM PDT by ravenwolf (s)
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75 posted on 08/30/2014 10:04:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: prisoner6

Suggest you read the bestseller by someone who has been called the “theological Einstein of our times,” by BenedictXVI: “Jesus of Nazareth.”


76 posted on 08/30/2014 10:11:05 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think she and Joel make up what God wants. It’s not in the Bible.


77 posted on 08/30/2014 10:30:05 PM PDT by luvbach1 (We are finished. It will just take a while before everyone realizes it.)
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To: metmom

Don’t see anybody from the Osteen devotional ping list coming to their defense. The poster likes to stand behind the no discussion ploy on their daily posts so no one can speak the truth about the Osteen’s!


78 posted on 08/30/2014 10:31:25 PM PDT by longhorn too
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To: TexasFreeper2009

“He indeed died for all, so that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.”
-2 Cor 5:15


79 posted on 08/30/2014 10:52:29 PM PDT by MDLION ("Trust in the Lord with all your heart" -Proverbs 3:5)
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To: SeekAndFind

A tempest in a tea pot.

Doing God’s will is good for us.

So what’s new?


80 posted on 08/30/2014 10:57:25 PM PDT by Arthur McGowan
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