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New Take on the Biblical Flood story
Malaga Bay ^ | January 6, 2016 | Tim Cullen

Posted on 01/07/2016 1:19:30 PM PST by Yollopoliuhqui

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To: jjotto

Correct, it doesn’t stand up to even mild scrutiny.


21 posted on 01/07/2016 3:45:48 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There's a right to gay marriage in the Constitution but there is no right of an unborn baby to life.)
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To: BroJoeK
However, no other Biblical accounts are located in this area.

I was wondering about the effects of the collapse of the Bosporus on the Red Sea.

22 posted on 01/07/2016 3:55:56 PM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: BroJoeK
So, even more likely was Persian Gulf flooding, as sea levels rose, circa 6,000 BC. Mesopotamia at the head of -- or now under -- the Persian Gulf seems a reasonable location for both Eden and Noah's flood.

I think a likely scenario would be a tropical system holding together enough to rain out in the Zagros Mountains during an already wet year. One to three days of torrential rain, and the truly epic flooding lost nothing in the re-telling. I believe there is evidence of extreme flooding in that area ~6,000 years ago.

23 posted on 01/07/2016 4:08:46 PM PST by Fraxinus (My opinion, worth what you paid.)
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To: gleeaikin

I have always believed they walked...that might be how the Garamante people ended up in Libya.

24 posted on 01/07/2016 4:34:03 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: odawg
Once, an acquaintance talked me into going to his church — greatest in the world, he claimed. It turned out to be some sort of New Age variety, where EVERYTHING in the Bible was metaphorical, symbolic, i.e. Noah’s flood symbolized some mental, spiritual conflict Noah was going through; the prodigal son in the pigsty meant he had negative emotions (she mentioned those two). Everything was like that, except, at the end of the sermon, or whatever it was, the lady (the preacher) asked for tithes and donations. Guess what, strangely, tithe, to her, meant “tenth of your income”. Suddenly, all the symbolism and metaphors disappeared and she became hardshell and literal.

She wanted a TENTH of your incomes.?!? Lol. She must have taken lessons from ole, now-dead Dr. EEEEUUUUUGENE Scott. "Send me your filthy lucre!!!"

She is a charlatan, phony, deceiver, swindler, con-man, con-artist, fake, impostor, mountebank, fraud, imposter, phony, malicious trickster and a fake,

25 posted on 01/07/2016 4:46:20 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: gleeaikin
Forgot to add that if it was possible to walk from North to South across the land bridge that is now the Strait of Gibraltar the same thing applies the other way.

Moroccan Berber

26 posted on 01/07/2016 5:35:19 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

Non-believers have been working for centuries to soften The Word; nowadays this manifests itself with goofy attempts to pretend Sodom & Gomorrah were destroyed by meteors (so homosexual deviants are no longer the targets of what is basically a universal taboo). People will fabricate dire warnings from God about the environment in Scriptures but ignore direct words and actions from God and His Son Jesus regarding sins of the flesh.


27 posted on 01/07/2016 6:55:34 PM PST by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: gundog
"I was wondering about the effects of the collapse of the Bosporus on the Red Sea."

Why would the Bosporus affect the Red Sea? Until the Suez Canal was dug, there was no connection between the Mediterranean and the Red Sea...

28 posted on 01/07/2016 7:52:07 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah: Satan's current alias. "Obama": Allah's current ally...)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

So then the New Eathers are off by a factor of ten too? Then the Earth must only be 400 years old.


29 posted on 01/07/2016 8:04:13 PM PST by Jack Straw from Wichita
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To: BroJoeK; Fred Nerks; Yollopoliuhqui; gundog; Daniel Ramsey; SunkenCiv; All

Gibralter did not collapse, the low land between Gibralter and Africa was overflooded and scoured away. While something severe appears to have happened regarding the Black Sea, the Persian Gulf is more likely, especially given that the Jews were taken away to Babylon around 500 bce, where stories from the Persian Gulf may have gone into their thinking and bible writing. Graham Hancock is a good source for theories on ruins found Underwater. Here is a very long link to various maps I promised to look for. It includes the map Fred Nerks kindly posted.

https://www.google.com/search?num=50&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=G&hl=en&tbs=simg:CAESzAEayQELEKjU2AQaAggEDAsQsIynCBphCl8IAxIn1AjVCPgKjwn8FUrSCP0V1xXVFf0o8iiZOfwopynuPrg39j7wKIs4GjBID0_108Bv7Fy_1vODEnVxCRx8BHIBCjohABVhL5SKUZCYbeZjp-IOJEM9QgSQP5a_10gAwwLEI6u_1ggaCgoICAESBGPqKWAMCxCd7cEJGjgKBQoDbWFwChEKD3dhdGVyIHJlc291cmNlcwoLCgllY29zeXN0ZW0KBgoEdGV4dAoHCgVmYXVuYQw&q=mediterranean+during+ice+age&tbm=isch&ved=0ahUKEwjpg__G3ZnKAhWJGz4KHbHSB1AQsw4ILA&biw=1600&bih=799


30 posted on 01/08/2016 12:13:11 AM PST by gleeaikin
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To: gleeaikin
A fascinating subject:

Morphology and structure of the Camarinal Sill from high-resolution bathymetry: evidence of fault zones in the Gibraltar Strait

The age of faulting is poorly constrained in both cases.LINK

Together with existing evidence of faults onland, the presence of these fault zones implies that they could be responsible for,

or have contributed to, the opening of the Gibraltar Strait.


31 posted on 01/08/2016 1:46:47 AM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: cloudmountain

cloudmountain: “She must have taken lessons from ole, now-dead Dr. EEEEUUUUUGENE Scott. ‘Send me your filthy lucre!!!’ “

Dr Eugenie Scott is now aged a young 70 years, and if we can go by her Facebook page is certainly alive and kicking.

Scott is a highly recognized & honored scientist, who calls herself a “nontheist” and has written extensively on & debated evolution versus creationism.
She agrees that terms like “impersonal” and “unsupervised” should not be applied to evolutionary processes.

Her biographical data does not tell us if Scott was ever involved in soliciting money from the public for any of her organizations.


32 posted on 01/08/2016 6:58:40 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: gleeaikin

gleeaikin: “Gibralter did not collapse, the low land between Gibralter and Africa was overflooded and scoured away.”

Granted, though what started as a slow trickle of Atlantic water ended as a mighty flood, eventually filling the Mediterranean in a matter of months.

Geologically, as sea & land levels rose & fell, bodies of water like the Mediterranean, Black Sea & Persian Gulf filled & dried up, apparently many times.
But the most recent filling of the Mediterranean was circa 5.3 million years ago, which makes it highly unlikely to have been the source for various Mesopotamian flood stories.

Both the Black Sea and Persian Gulf did, however, fill in historical times, and could easily be the origin, especially if filling corresponded to hurricane or monsoon level rains.


33 posted on 01/08/2016 7:48:07 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: gundog

gundog: “was wondering about the effects of the collapse of the Bosporus on the Red Sea.”

No effect I can imagine.
The Red Sea is separated from the Mediterranean by the Sinai Peninsula, so would experience no effects from changing Med or Black Sea levels.


34 posted on 01/08/2016 7:57:28 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: gleeaikin
The problem with old facts is that even these may not be reliable.

They are when they're part of the "chain of transmission" of the Torah from Sinai.

35 posted on 01/08/2016 8:01:23 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The "end of history" will be worldwide Judaic Theocracy.)
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To: Yollopoliuhqui

Historically, Noah’s flood happened. Many cultures around the world have a reference about a great flood. The interesting fact is that some of the ancient cultures in the Americas have stories of a great flood. It is said that the ancestors to these tribes came across the land bridge around 10-15,000 years ago. Logically, Noah’s flood had to occur prior to that.


36 posted on 01/08/2016 8:32:22 AM PST by PJBankard (It is better to be thought an idiot than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt.)
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To: Fraxinus

Agreed, my understanding exactly.


37 posted on 01/08/2016 8:40:23 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
Dr Eugenie Scott is now aged a young 70 years, and if we can go by her Facebook page is certainly alive and kicking.

The Dr. Scott [EUGENE SCOTT]I was referring to was a man, one of the first televangelists. He had white hair and always wore a different hat.
His wife, we never saw her face, had LONG black hair, wore 6" stilleto high heels and wore a FULL LENGTH ERMINE coat.
HE passed away a while ago. Rumor had it that SHE took over but I never saw her or heard about her.

38 posted on 01/08/2016 7:57:01 PM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

Dr. Gene Scott. I watched him on TV years ago. Middle of the night for me. I think he was out of Los Angeles and I was living in NC at the time. Named one of my horses The Doctor is In. :)

I always enjoyed his teachings. I’ve got a Study Bible so filled with notes in the margins it’s almost unreadable.


39 posted on 01/08/2016 8:04:41 PM PST by Duchess47 ("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
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To: cloudmountain

Is this who you are thinking of?

http://www.pastormelissascott.com/

I’ve seen her many times on TV. She is gorgeous!


40 posted on 01/08/2016 8:05:04 PM PST by bonfire
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